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Old 21-10-2019, 09:49 AM
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European Union Emissions Trading System (EU ETS) is the cornerstone of the European Union's policy to tackle climate change and its key tool for cost-effective reduction of emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases (GHG) in the power, aviation and industrial sectors.

The EU ETS was launched in 2005 and is the first - and still by far the largest - international system for trading greenhouse gas emission allowances covering over three-quarters of the allowances traded on the international carbon market.

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Apart from those countries trading within the system, making their companies less competitive with the rest of the world. CO2 has been commoditised, this means that price varies (manipulated) by market forces. This is a financial instrument that you can invest in and make money from, just like the stock market. Below is a link to a chart and the performance. Click on the 3 or 10-year button to see the price over a longer period.

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Climate Activision has returned a whopping 300% return in the past 18 months, you can understand why the wealthy are backing groups like XR and Greta. Also what this means is the Companies who have to buy CO2 allowances have to pay more, this higher cost ultimately increases the cost of the products passed to consumers. I have added a link to British Steel and a government loan, the British Tax Payers are liable to.

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Rubbish argument and completely overlooks that the majority of goods produced for UK consumers are made overseas and some of the biggest polluting companies in the world are head quartered in the UK.

As one of the richest countries in the world it’s absolutely right that our government should be pressured to lead by example and show how it can be done.
Pressured to do what? What do you want the government to do? There are already policies and targets to reduce CO2 and Tax CO2 to incentivise us to make better choices. We are on the road to no longer burn coal in power stations, we are investing in nuclear to provide clean energy in the future.

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Old 21-10-2019, 12:19 PM
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. We no longer burn coal in power stations,
Not really true even though we are heading in that direction
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Old 21-10-2019, 12:59 PM
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Another great video from Tony Heller. In it, he explains why CO2 and Methane despite being Greenhouse gas have little effect on warming the planet regardless of there concentrations.
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Not really true even though we are heading in that direction
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If you want an optimistic outlook, especially if you are young and wondering what the future holds with all this XR doom and gloom. Matt Ridley's attached video is good.
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Old 21-10-2019, 09:03 PM
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If you want an optimistic outlook, especially if you are young and wondering what the future holds with all this XR doom and gloom. Matt Ridley's attached video is good.
Thanks for posting this and other things.

Some big flaws in parts of what he said and as always I'd have to check out his assumptions. However, I'm not going to point out what is wrong, and so spoon feed the doom sayers.
The photos of part of the border in Hispaniola was an interest illustration of that point.
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Old 22-10-2019, 05:48 AM
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This doesn’t add anything to the debate whatsoever, but happened across a David Icke video talking about Extension Rebellion, and his take on it....wait for it....is that they are in the pay of George Soros and the 1% global elite and all this ‘end is nigh’ stuff is basically all nonsense and just a plan by the elite to claim centralist control of everything. Not quite sure where the lizards come into it as I only got so far into the video before getting bored.

Now I’m a bit confused, because wasn’t Icke himself declaring similar climate distruction in the early 90’s with his whole ‘son of God’, turquoise wearing skit? Bizzarely coming just months after watching him on the BBC go to a report on the Palace West Brom match as a newscaster.
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Whilst I don't actually agree with the 'Climate falls, everyone dies' stance of some enviromentalists (its a possible, not a certainity) I think there is a very good arguement thats missed in this debate, which tends towards extremes (or true vs untrue)

and that is that we, as a species, could generally benefit from taking a better approch to the environment (improved air quality, responsible population control, cleaner fuels, reducing pollution etc) even if its not an end of the world scenario.

Even if Climate Change were shown to be a cyclic event to which human contribution was mimimal, we'd still benefit from taking a more responsible approch to our environment.
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Whilst I don't actually agree with the 'Climate falls, everyone dies' stance of some enviromentalists (its a possible, not a certainity) I think there is a very good arguement thats missed in this debate, which tends towards extremes (or true vs untrue)

and that is that we, as a species, could generally benefit from taking a better approch to the environment (improved air quality, responsible population control, cleaner fuels, reducing pollution etc) even if its not an end of the world scenario.

Even if Climate Change were shown to be a cyclic event to which human contribution was mimimal, we'd still benefit from taking a more responsible approch to our environment.
Yes, awareness in how you go about your life and how it affects others cannot be a bad thing...unless we are happy to revert back to being savages that is.

That’s always been my feeling when recycling as there is a cynical part of me that wonders whether it does make a difference. I suppose on a small scale it’s the difference between being the kind of person that puts their rubbish in a bin or just chucks it on the floor for someone else to pick up. Have to say, it’s a petty gripe but when I see someone littering it really fecks me off.
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This doesn’t add anything to the debate whatsoever, but happened across a David Icke video talking about Extension Rebellion, and his take on it....wait for it....is that they are in the pay of George Soros and the 1% global elite and all this ‘end is nigh’ stuff is basically all nonsense and just a plan by the elite to claim centralist control of everything. Not quite sure where the lizards come into it as I only got so far into the video before getting bored.

Now I’m a bit confused, because wasn’t Icke himself declaring similar climate distruction in the early 90’s with his whole ‘son of God’, turquoise wearing skit? Bizzarely coming just months after watching him on the BBC go to a report on the Palace West Brom match as a newscaster.
One of the conspiracy theorists on this thread mentioned George Soros. He gets blamed for lots of things by these sorts of people. I’m sure the fact that he’s Jewish is a complete coincidence.

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One of the conspiracy theorists on this thread mentioned George Soros. He gets blamed for lots of things by these sorts of people. I’m sure the fact that he’s Jewish is a complete coincidence.
Now, who is a conspiracy theorist?

My first experience of George was when he made $1 Billion out of betting against the pound whilst in the ERM, not his fault he exploited a Primeminster Thatcher who was determined to underpin the value of Stirling around 3 German Marks to the pound.

The negativity towards him is that he exploits things for his own gain. He buys influence and keeps dubious company.
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This doesn’t add anything to the debate whatsoever, but happened across a David Icke video talking about Extension Rebellion, and his take on it....wait for it....is that they are in the pay of George Soros and the 1% global elite and all this ‘end is nigh’ stuff is basically all nonsense and just a plan by the elite to claim centralist control of everything. Not quite sure where the lizards come into it as I only got so far into the video before getting bored.

Now I’m a bit confused, because wasn’t Icke himself declaring similar climate distruction in the early 90’s with his whole ‘son of God’, turquoise wearing skit? Bizzarely coming just months after watching him on the BBC go to a report on the Palace West Brom match as a newscaster.
I have steered clear of anything David Icke does.
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Whilst I don't actually agree with the 'Climate falls, everyone dies' stance of some enviromentalists (its a possible, not a certainity) I think there is a very good arguement thats missed in this debate, which tends towards extremes (or true vs untrue)

and that is that we, as a species, could generally benefit from taking a better approch to the environment (improved air quality, responsible population control, cleaner fuels, reducing pollution etc) even if its not an end of the world scenario.

Even if Climate Change were shown to be a cyclic event to which human contribution was mimimal, we'd still benefit from taking a more responsible approch to our environment.

One environmental issue that was made worse by the demonising of CO2 where policies to encourage the use of Diesel Fuel. That has pumped more pollutants into the atmosphere. But instead, Road Tax is based on CO2 and not the chemicals poisoning of our atmosphere. CO2 does not damage our health.
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Is he too evidence based for you?
He believes that an inter-dimensional race of reptilian beings called the Archons (or Anunnaki) have hijacked the earth and that a genetically modified human–Archon hybrid race of shape-shifting reptilians.
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Now, who is a conspiracy theorist?

My first experience of George was when he made $1 Billion out of betting against the pound whilst in the ERM, not his fault he exploited a Primeminster Thatcher who was determined to underpin the value of Stirling around 3 German Marks to the pound.

The negativity towards him is that he exploits things for his own gain. He buys influence and keeps dubious company.
The fact that conspiracy theories are commonly rooted in antisemitism isn’t a conspiracy, it’s a fact. The Jews have been baselessly blamed for things more than any other group in human history.
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The fact that conspiracy theories are commonly rooted in antisemitism isn’t a conspiracy, it’s a fact. The Jews have been baselessly blamed for things more than any other group in human history.
Apart from Wayne Hennessey......
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