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A spokesperson for Covid agrees with you.
Yes, well you’d have us locked down forever (except when you need to fly out to St Lucia for your jollies of course) and just get the govt to print loads of new money. Sorted !
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Just to give my experience (for a bit of balance) started to feel unwell last Monday by Wednesday i had 5 of the 6 symptoms. On Thursday morning dragged myself out of bed went online at 10.00 booked a test that day for 11.30 went along and did it.Yesterday started to feel a lot better.
Positive result came thru at 0700 this morning .So got to say my experience of the system has been only good.Feeling almost back to normal now minus the energy levels.
Bad news is my wife is now coughing and spluttering so i am just about to order a home delivery test
What were the '5 or 6' symptoms?
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For those making the flu comparisons, such as WE has done. Why the below?

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Most years, the US death toll from the flu is closer to 34,000 to 43,000.
The 12 month death toll in the US by March will probably be 300,000 to 400,000.
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For those making the flu comparisons, such as WE has done. Why the below?



The 12 month death toll in the US by March will probably be 300,000 to 400,000.
For a start, 34k to 43k is a figure over how many months, its not clear, I would guess about 3 for the flu season, the second figure is an estimate, and we know how accurate they are, we were told many more deaths in this country than there has been, it needs to be clearer figures of where we are today v realistic forcasts on a per capita base.

I am more suprised we put other countries on the no go list without quarenteen, they should not be letting us in if its that bad surely.
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I had fever,chills,aching joints muscles and limbs,headaches.Cough no loss of smell or taste though.
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Maybe the next time an Englishman walks into a pub there the Welsh lads might want to decide to be friendly, ask his name, what he's in town for ect, he might be a decent bloke after all. Maybe a better alternative than immediately switching to a language that involves spraying your conversation partners face with spittle after each word in this day and age.
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Blimey, I find myself agreeing with you !

Personally don't see the point of short lockdowns, which make the problem go away for a bit, then it get worse, again.
The point of lockdowns IS NOT to get rid of it. I hear this argument all the time, what's the point if it keeps coming back? The point is left unchecked the number of cases needing hospital treatment would rapidly exceed the services available. Those with serious but treatable cases will not get such treatment and die needlessly.

The other point is that other hospital/medical help is protected for those with non covid issues. Let covid swamp the nhs and what remains of the current appointments etc will be lost. Cancer treatment, operations, dialysis etc and we could lose many more people with treatable conditions.

Its not perfect but the idea is to keep covid numbers treatable and keep other services available.

Cases rises are exponential. Rising to previous levels before the last lockdown doesn't mean it hasn't worked. Unchecked the numbers would have been many times higher. hundreds of thousands of cases a day and the deaths in the thousands with the NHS essentially being incapacitated. The deaths from other causes would rise as operations and treatment became impossible. That's the point.

Of course the hard bit is finding the balance between avoiding that scenario and protecting the economy.

They are increasingly confident of an effective vaccine (NOT A CURE) and it feels like this is a case of getting through this winter with minimal loses. Hopefully beyond this winter no more lockdowns.
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I had fever,chills,aching joints muscles and limbs,headaches.Cough no loss of smell or taste though.
Thought it was just fever and cough
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Supermarkets in Wales have been told not to sell non-essential items so they have been roped off in stores. I think the rationale is that it would be unfair to shops selling non-essential items that have been forced to close altogether. Except you could just buy those items online instead. Just another example of the silly, ludicrous rules that are being imposed.
The idea is to stop people going out for non-essential reasons. You probably don't need to pop out to your local supermarket for a pack of socks but feel free to order whatever you want online. There was the issue in lockdown before of certain household shops staying open because they had 1 aisle of cleaning products and a fridge of sandwiches.
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Thought it was just fever and cough
It will affect people differently.
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For a start, 34k to 43k is a figure over how many months, its not clear, I would guess about 3 for the flu season, the second figure is an estimate, and we know how accurate they are, we were told many more deaths in this country than there has been, it needs to be clearer figures of where we are today v realistic forcasts on a per capita base.

I am more suprised we put other countries on the no go list without quarenteen, they should not be letting us in if its that bad surely.
No that is the a average US deaths per year from the flu.

Deaths in the US from coronavirus over 224,000, and rising at over 1,000 a day.

Even if you take as of now it’s eight times the deaths. And there is another 4-5 months to get to a year.
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No that is the a average US deaths per year from the flu.

Deaths in the US from coronavirus over 224,000, and rising at over 1,000 a day.

Even if you take as of now it’s eight times the deaths. And there is another 4-5 months to get to a year.
Deaths from, or with, Covid-19?
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No that is the a average US deaths per year from the flu.

Deaths in the US from coronavirus over 224,000, and rising at over 1,000 a day.

Even if you take as of now it’s eight times the deaths. And there is another 4-5 months to get to a year.
You din't say per year, hence the question, also, flu has a season, so would likely be over 3 months in general.
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Deaths from, or with, Covid-19?
It’s the figures for the US from Covid. I realise those figures might not be exact because of what you’re getting at but the difference to the flu is huge.
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Presumably because you have never had flu or pneumonia?
Yep, had the first twice, both were easily the worst experiences I've ever had, illnesswise. The difference between a cold and flu, is like the difference between being punched and having being beaten senseles.
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You din't say per year, hence the question, also, flu has a season, so would likely be over 3 months in general.
It is per year. Coronavirus is also affected by seasons.

But my point is that how can it be compared to the flu when in the US there are vastly different death rates.
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Yep, had the first twice, both were easily the worst experiences I've ever had, illnesswise. The difference between a cold and flu, is like the difference between being punched and having being beaten senseles.
A lot of people have the flu virus with little to no symptoms.
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And the Czechs yesterday too (15,000 cases for a country of 10m people).

Czech and Slovakia basically in full lockdown now. Essential journeys only and Czech has a 9pm curfew in place apparently
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Wales ministers reckon their 17 day lockdown will bring R below 1, save lives and the economic damage caused will be offset from the longer term impacts mitigated. Do we agree and should we be doing it? I think so but it should have been organised 2 weeks ago so coinciding with half terms and giving schools chance to prepare / set online work etc. I'm generally against schools being closed but would have made a short term exception.

Be interesting to see if they’re right. If they are, I’d expect we’ll have one late November / early December to ‘save Christmas’
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No that is the a average US deaths per year from the flu.

Deaths in the US from coronavirus over 224,000, and rising at over 1,000 a day.

Even if you take as of now it’s eight times the deaths. And there is another 4-5 months to get to a year.

Flu deaths are usually separated out per season rather than per year and obviously flu wasn't tested anywhere near as frequently as we test for Covid. The US doesn't publish estimates of excess deaths so your figures mean little without previous like for like comparisons.

If you look at our excess deaths as we have comparable stats, we had 50,000 excess deaths in 1999/2000 which when you adjust for population growth, its pretty similar to what we had for the winter just gone 2019/2020. Albeit we had to lockdown and have social distancing to achieve them but I wouldn't imagine it would be very different if we had a novel influenza virus.
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