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Old 12-09-2019, 11:20 AM
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SKATE says pandemic isn't going to happen that it is just the usual winter flu, stevek says it is likely to happen.

Its had to debate when the other side of the debate are saying polar opposite things.
I believe Skate was referring to global killing pandemics like the one in 1918 killing 50,000,000 approx whereas stevek was referring to the normal seasonal flu pandemic we get every year that kills some people but not the population of England.
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Isn't that the operation that led the capture, or more correctly recapture, of the leader of the Sinoloa Cartel El Chapo.
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Old 12-09-2019, 11:29 AM
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I believe Skate was referring to global killing pandemics like the one in 1918 killing 50,000,000 approx whereas stevek was referring to the normal seasonal flu pandemic we get every year that kills some people but not the population of England.
Did you really just write that?

We have a pandemic every year do we?

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Did you really just write that?

We have a pandemic every year do we?

Brilliant.

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lol. Epidemic. We have seasonal flu epidemics virtually every year. You know full well what the posters were referring to and your ****wittery is just avoiding their points purposefully.

Of course pandemics happen rarely, of course epidemics happen frequently.
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It includes major flooding over the winter and a flu pandemic so they are factoring in some significant and unknown risks.
And you started the ****wittery. As yellowhammer refers to seasonal flu - not a pandemic
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Project Fear again. We voted Leave. Get over it.

The so called experts have been wrong in the past so I shall give these predictions short shrift.

I remember when we played Man City at the Etihad last season. All the so called experts said we'd get a trousers down tonking. And we went and blooming well won.

This means that even if Lawro predicts disaster for us up there this season then we will definitely win. Hopefully that's obvious. Even to dim witted Remoaners.
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Project Fear again. We voted Leave. Get over it.

The so called experts have been wrong in the past so I shall give these predictions short shrift.

I remember when we played Man City at the Etihad last season. All the so called experts said we'd get a trousers down tonking. And we went and blooming well won.

This means that even if Lawro predicts disaster for us up there this season then we will definitely win. Hopefully that's obvious. Even to dim witted Remoaners.
Jesus christ.

Comparing football predictions to being told that we may have a shortage of medication are quite different things.
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Jesus christ.

Comparing football predictions to being told that we may have a shortage of medication are quite different things.
One of us has been whooshed
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Gonzo is lashing out.
It must try the patience of a saint having to defend all the guff the government comes out with
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And you started the ****wittery. As yellowhammer refers to seasonal flu - not a pandemic
I stated quite clearly that it was quoting the BBC.

Pandemic is pandemic pure and simple and is the word used by the BBC report.

If the document only refers to seasonal flu then there should be serious questions of the BBC reporting but then they do like project fear!
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:04 PM
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The idea that this is worst case scenario is simply nonsense.

Take section 18: Day 1; no hard border however this is "unsustainable due to significant economic, legal and biosecurity risks and no effective unilateral mitigations to address this will be available" (who knew) ... "This will be particularly severe in border communities where both criminal and dissident groups already operate with greater threat and impunity"

I would suggest that this is best case scenario as the worst case would be terrorist attacks in Belfast, Derry and London. The worst case will be the necessary border which yellowhammer admits is necessary will be attacked and blown up. The worst case is the police will then be sent to protect it and will be killed, then the army, then revenge attacks by the UVF and UFF before we are right back to where we started - quickly.

The idea that this is worst case is childish, ignores the situation on the ground and is obvious, palpable nonsense. It is best case. That much is as clear as day.
The dissident groups have been around and active since the GFA was signed. Please explain why they would suddenly get so much worse, after a no deal Brexit?
Your message is making some incredible assumptions, in my opinion. If any changes are made to the Border posts they will be for customs checks. There will be no need for Military personnel to attend these posts. Maybe a few police, but nothing more.
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:09 PM
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Did you really just write that?

We have a pandemic every year do we?

Brilliant.

Sorry I have no comeback to such utter ****wittery!
Having looked up the definition of a pandemic, we do actually have flu pandemic most years. A pandemic is generally a non-isolated disease or outbreak that affects an entire country, or spreads to more than one country. It has come to mean globally or internationally, but any flu outbreak in the UK is an epidemic unless its regionalised in Wales / England / Scotland / NI

Given the nature of flu, its almost always pandemic, seeing outbreaks of the strain in different countries and spreading across countries and across borders.
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I stated quite clearly that it was quoting the BBC.

Pandemic is pandemic pure and simple and is the word used by the BBC report.

If the document only refers to seasonal flu then there should be serious questions of the BBC reporting but then they do like project fear!
Fine. So whoever wrote this To view the link you have to Register or Login is a ****wit as it resulted in further ****wittery.

Pandemic is not mentioned in yellowhammer - hence some posters were talking about seasonal flu which was mentioned and others commenting that a pandemic is unlikely. (although arguably we are overdue one)

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Old 12-09-2019, 12:15 PM
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The dissident groups have been around and active since the GFA was signed. Please explain why they would suddenly get so much worse, after a no deal Brexit?
Your message is making some incredible assumptions, in my opinion. If any changes are made to the Border posts they will be for customs checks. There will be no need for Military personnel to attend these posts. Maybe a few police, but nothing more.
Been there and done this too many times.

Camera goes up
Camera gets shot at
Camera gets replaced with barbed wire to defend it against bullets (yes that is the kind of thinking that happens)
Camera gets blown up
Police are sent to keep the cameras safe on patrols
Police get blown up
More police are called in from Scotland (this is the plan already)
More police get blown up
Revenge attacks from the UVF and UFF re-start
Police are called in from England (this is the 2nd phase of the plan already)
Revenge revenge attacks from the New IRA re-start
English police get blown up
Car bomb goes off outside a cafe in Belfast
Lots of people dead

There we go. Simples.
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:16 PM
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You might want to contact the BBC about their editorial inaccuracies then.

economic difficulties could be "exacerbated" by flooding or a flu pandemic this winter.
You work for the NHS, so you should know what a pandemic is....and so should the BBC - who these days aren't fit for purpose in their news reporting - just a right wing mouthpiece for the undemocratic Tory government. Perhaps you should actually read the yellowhammer document rather than relying on bad reporting of what it contains?

"An influenza pandemic is an epidemic of an influenza virus that spreads on a worldwide scale and infects a large proportion of the world population. In contrast to the regular seasonal epidemics of influenza, these pandemics occur irregularly there have been about 9 influenza pandemics during the last 300 years"
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Did you really just write that?

We have a pandemic every year do we?

Brilliant.

Sorry I have no comeback to such utter ****wittery!
Have you read the document? It doesn't say pandemic. It doesn't say epidemic. It says 'seasonal flu'.

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Having looked up the definition of a pandemic, we do actually have flu pandemic most years. A pandemic is generally a non-isolated disease or outbreak that affects an entire country, or spreads to more than one country. It has come to mean globally or internationally, but any flu outbreak in the UK is an epidemic unless its regionalised in Wales / England / Scotland / NI

Given the nature of flu, its almost always pandemic, seeing outbreaks of the strain in different countries and spreading across countries and across borders.
An epidemic and a pandemic are different. We have a flu epidemic most years but a pandemic 9 times in the last 300. HTH
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Been there and done this too many times.

Camera goes up
Camera gets shot at
Camera gets replaced with barbed wire to defend it against bullets (yes that is the kind of thinking that happens)
Camera gets blown up
Police are sent to keep the cameras safe on patrols
Police get blown up
More police are called in from Scotland (this is the plan already)
More police get blown up
Revenge attacks from the UVF and UFF re-start
Police are called in from England (this is the 2nd phase of the plan already)
Revenge revenge attacks from the New IRA re-start
English police get blown up
Car bomb goes off outside a cafe in Belfast
Lots of people dead

There we go. Simples.
So many assumptions.
Do you really think that Sinn Fein and the main Loyalist groups want a return to violence?
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The dissident groups have been around and active since the GFA was signed. Please explain why they would suddenly get so much worse, after a no deal Brexit?
Your message is making some incredible assumptions, in my opinion. If any changes are made to the Border posts they will be for customs checks. There will be no need for Military personnel to attend these posts. Maybe a few police, but nothing more.
Because the UK breaking the GFA plays very much in to dissident rhetoric. The general problem of Ireland isn't the terrorists per se, its their ability to recruit replacements and gather support and sympathy within communities.

Republicanism in NI and Ireland is a very real thing, which a lot of people take remarkably seriously. Border Posts for Customs checks might get a pass from the more reasonable groups, but to the dissidents its a target.

As those posts have to be increasingly protected, you're increasing military or police presence in the border areas, which is going to further irate Republicans. For example, if the Real / New / Newer than You IRA or whatever start attacking customs posts in Armagh what do you do about it - and Armagh covers a very extensive area of the border.

Its not actually the customs posts that are the problem, its what they'll represent to the headbangers in the New IRA and what the response will do in border areas, which traditionally are very Sinn Fien (and in the case of some Pro-IRA).

The Real / New / Lets Pretend IRA aren't really the problem, its how the UK and NI responds to them thats the problem.
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