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Old 13-05-2016, 11:42 AM
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i would just like Laura Kuessenberg replaced, i just find her grating.
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But nothing like as big a distraction as Robert Peston's delivery was, so let's be grateful that he's gone elsewhere.
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Old 13-05-2016, 11:49 AM
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I honestly would not care if the BBC died and the Tv license along with it. Havent watched live Tv in my living room for well over a year now.
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Old 13-05-2016, 11:51 AM
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I honestly would not care if the BBC died and the Tv license along with it. Havent watched live Tv in my living room for well over a year now.
You haven't missed much. The smear has been ramped up, and the news dumbed down, but other than that its still going in one direction along with sky. Reporting things accurately and objectively in an unbiased fashion stopped a long time ago as I'm sure you're aware.
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Old 13-05-2016, 11:53 AM
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So sad.
why sad? I can choose what I want to watch and when I want to watch it ad free on services like netflix and amazon. I also watch alot of youtube content home made by budding creators.

I have no use for live tv outside of sporting events, in which case ill either try and go to said event or watch it down the pub.
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Old 13-05-2016, 12:04 PM
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I honestly would not care if the BBC died and the Tv license along with it. Havent watched live Tv in my living room for well over a year now.
What about radio, or the BBC website? Or watched an FA cup game down the pub?

The argument against funding the BBC 'because I don't watch this or that' is a thin one. This is exactly why BBC needs public funding (whether this is by an increasing outdated tv license or other means) , to cover the things that simply cannot be done by other broadcasters or programmes of varied interest and audience. No-one watches or listens to 100% of BBC output.

I don't watch that much TV live, but use iPlayer downloads, listen to 6 music and use the website daily - more than happy to pay what is essentially less than a pint a week for this (even for the stuff I never use) - especially when compared to commercial rivals.

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Old 13-05-2016, 12:07 PM
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They should do a documentary going out with the TV detector people and watch them hound the elderly, poor, single parents and unemployed.
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What about radio, or the BBC website? Or watched an FA cup game down the pub?

The argument against funding the BBC 'because I don't watch this or that' is a thin one. This is exactly why BBC needs public funding (whether this is by an increasing outdated tv license or other means) , to cover the things that simply cannot be done by other broadcasters or programmes of varied interest and audience. No-one watches or listens to 100% of BBC output.

I don't watch that much TV live, but use iPlayer downloads, listen to 6 music and use the website daily - more than happy to pay what is essentially less than a pint a week for this (even for the stuff I never use) - especially when compared to commercial rivals.
I dont listen to radio. I listen to podcasts via youtube.

As for their website, sure I use that for news. But if they had advertising on it to fund it would that really inflict my ability to read the news? Other websites with advertising manage just fine.
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Old 13-05-2016, 12:27 PM
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I dont listen to radio. I listen to podcasts via youtube.

As for their website, sure I use that for news. But if they had advertising on it to fund it would that really inflict my ability to read the news? Other websites with advertising manage just fine.
Yes, a future potentially commercial BBC with adverts could restrict independent editorial output. The website, although not perfect, is much nicer to use without adverts popping up, cluttering content.

I think there's an argument for allowing iPlayer access with subscription for overseas users (or a domestic subscription opt in for, say, digital access only) access that could subsidise output.
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Old 13-05-2016, 12:31 PM
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why sad? I can choose what I want to watch and when I want to watch it ad free on services like netflix and amazon. I also watch alot of youtube content home made by budding creators.

I have no use for live tv outside of sporting events, in which case ill either try and go to said event or watch it down the pub.
Totally understand. Just think it is sad that you can wish away the greatest entertainment/media institution that has been and still is a benchmark for ALL broadcasters across the world.

Ask an American where he gets his news and he'll tell you the BBC.
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Old 13-05-2016, 12:32 PM
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I dont listen to radio. I listen to podcasts via youtube.

As for their website, sure I use that for news. But if they had advertising on it to fund it would that really inflict my ability to read the news? Other websites with advertising manage just fine.
News from the BBC is as unbiased as humanly possible unlike almost all other news outlets.
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I like Radio 4 and BBC4 but I don't pay my licence fee, I gave it up due to lack of usage due to the Iplayer, having to pay to use the Iplayer would not interest me.
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Totally understand. Just think it is sad that you can wish away the greatest entertainment/media institution that has been and still is a benchmark for ALL broadcasters across the world.

Ask an American where he gets his news and he'll tell you the BBC.
Nobody wants to wish it away. But its funding model is simply unjustifiable in this modern world. I would happily pay a subscription to keep the BBC but I cannot justify why that should be forced onto others. 20 or so years ago, then a case could be made for it but in this new age of multiple platforms, then it is no longer viable.
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Nobody wants to wish it away. But its funding model is simply unjustifiable in this modern world. I would happily pay a subscription to keep the BBC but I cannot justify why that should be forced onto others. 20 or so years ago, then a case could be made for it but in this new age of multiple platforms, then it is no longer viable.
There is no fee for the BBC. We have a TV licence to watch live television. We happen to use that to fund the BBC, and (unhelpfulky I think) leave it to the BBC to collect it, but the fee is not for the BBC.

Licence fees are common; and frankly looking at what we pay and what we use that money for compared to other countries, we really get a great deal.

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There is no fee for the BBC. We have a TV licence to watch live television. We happen to use that to fund the BBC, and (unhelpfulky I think) leave it to the BBC to collect it, but the fee is not for the BBC.

Licence fees are common; and frankly looking at what we pay and what we use that money for compared to other countries, we really get a great deal.

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I dont listen to radio. I listen to podcasts via youtube.

As for their website, sure I use that for news. But if they had advertising on it to fund it would that really inflict my ability to read the news? Other websites with advertising manage just fine.
Podcasts are recordings of radio programmes, just as watching a TV programme on iplayer is a recording of that TV programme.

So whether you choose to listen to or watch these programmes 'live' or at a later date is immaterial.

Those programmes have to be made and therefore paid for.
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Nobody wants to wish it away. But its funding model is simply unjustifiable in this modern world. I would happily pay a subscription to keep the BBC but I cannot justify why that should be forced onto others. 20 or so years ago, then a case could be made for it but in this new age of multiple platforms, then it is no longer viable.
The subscription model has been looked at and even Whittingdale kicked that into the long grass.

It sounds appealing and fairer, but there are many problems with it.

A key one is how to prevent people who haven't paid the subscription from receiving the BBC programmes for free? If that's too easy to do, too many people will chose not to pay but continue to watch/listen.

Ofcourse you could then endeavour to police access and issue fines, but the cost of that activity would outweigh the benefit. Can you imagine, for example, the difficulty involved in proving someone without a subscription had tuned their TV in on Saturdays to watch MOTD?

So it remains much simpler and more cost effective as a process to say that if you have a TV, then you should have a licence. But even that is becoming more complicated now some use their computers to watch instead.

It may well be that technology changes in the future will make the subscription model better, in which case it will be revisited as an option.
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Podcasts are recordings of radio programmes, just as watching a TV programme on iplayer is a recording of that TV programme.

So whether you choose to listen to or watch these programmes 'live' or at a later date is immaterial.

Those programmes have to be made and therefore paid for.
The podcasts I listen to are paid for, via advertising and pateron subscribtion models. Im not listening to bbc radio shows at a later date though. Im listening to nerdy video game podcasts on youtube.

And I dont watch or listen to anything live so the license fee I pay is pretty much a waste of money.
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The podcasts I listen to are paid for, via advertising and pateron subscribtion models. Im not listening to bbc radio shows at a later date though. Im listening to nerdy video game podcasts on youtube.

And I dont watch or listen to anything live so the license fee I pay is pretty much a waste of money.
Sorry, I misunderstood your previous post.

I do think it's a shame that you couldn't care if the BBC closed, I suspect that would impact more on you in the future than you think. It is also hugely respected around the world (possibly more so than here actually!) and a great ambassador for British culture etc.

The World Service has also been a lifeline to many....again loved beyond our shores and hugely appreciated.
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