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Old 10-08-2015, 02:44 PM
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Well it appears that calling someone a Brit or a Scot isn't racist so why should calling someone a Jap be racist..?...its all getting way too PC now..or should I be offended if I am called a Brit?? FFS its getting more stupid every day
Because the terms "Brit" and "Jap" have a completely different history. If it wasn't for World War II there might not be much difference, but since then it has had very negative connotations. "Jap" is often used negatively, while positive collocations are rare. You don't really hear anyone say "he's a nice jap", do you?



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Havent seen the video but whats the difference between calling a japanese person and jap and a british person a brit?

for the record chink is racist.
I have to confess I didn't know 'jap' was offensive either. Maybe it was the context though, him shouting 'oi jap!' again and again, rather than the word itself.

However Paki is short for Pakistani, and abo is short for aborigine, and they are both offensive.
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Havent seen the video but whats the difference between calling a japanese person and jap and a british person a brit?

for the record chink is racist.
I bet he wasn't even Japanese. The thick cunit Vardy probably calls anyone asian a Jap. A bit like when people complain about all the Japanese tourists in cities who are most likely from various asian countries eg. South Korea, China, USA etc. Or when people moan about those indians! eg. people from Bangladesh, Pakistan.
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According to the reports at the time. The club have announced that they have terminated the contracts of Pearson Jr, Tom Hopper and Adam Smith after an investigation into allegations that the players had racially abused and made other offensive comments to women with whom they were engaging in sex acts in a Thai hotel room.
I think the arguement would be that the racist comments were enough for them to be dismissed. Though I would accept the argument about where and with whom did not help their case.
They were on a club tour.. Whilst Vardy comes across as particularly dis-likable in the clip. It is hardly on the same level as filming yourself on the club's tour of Thailand. Racially abusing and being outrageously sexually disrespectful to ladies of the night you are in the process of having group sex with in the hotel the club has paid for you to stay in!! Especially when you consider the sex industry in countries like this is driven by poverty.

Jap is an odd one. I always think of it a bit like Kraut or wop. Yeah it's not ideal but ultimately the japanese aren't losing sleep over it and i am not sure it requires the same moral outrage that many other racial slurs do.

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Back to Vardy, I'm sure this will endear him to new teammate Okazaki.
I hope Okazaki kicks Vardy in the Japs eye!
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Where did I say that...typical keyboard warrior, putting words into someone's post to suit your agenda....I merely mentioned Brits and Scots, terms that are used EVERY day without being seen as racist!
If I thought you'd said that then I would have written the sentence as a statement rather than a question wouldn't I?

I don't have an agenda and I'm certainly not a keyboard warrior, I was merely offering an alternative viewpoint to the one you were making. So how about you get off your soapbox and get back in it instead?
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I hope Okazaki kicks Vardy in the Japs eye!
I doubt he gives a monkey's. The word doesn't offend from years of oppression and negativity. Just a little bit of negative feeling between the countries because they decided to jump into bed with nazism. I am not sure it's usage exposes a racist with deep rooted racist views.. just a fairly unpleasant bloke when in a confrontation.
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If I thought you'd said that then I would have written the sentence as a statement rather than a question wouldn't I?

I don't have an agenda and I'm certainly not a keyboard warrior, I was merely offering an alternative viewpoint to the one you were making. So how about you get off your soapbox and get back in it instead?
You said do you think calling someone a chink is OK??? No I don't and never suggested that I did...you said that....I just don't believe jap is a racist term, OK my opinion is different to yours, never mind eh? That's what forums are about...opinions! Why is Brit or Scot Not a racist term then? Jap is just an abbreviation, just like Brit, whats the difference? Stop getting offended on someone else's behalf
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You said do you think calling someone a chink is OK??? No I don't and never suggested that I did...you said that....I just don't believe jap is a racist term, OK my opinion is different to yours, never mind eh? That's what forums are about...opinions! Why is Brit or Scot Not a racist term then? Jap is just an abbreviation, just like Brit, whats the difference? Stop getting offended on someone else's behalf
Does the term Brit have a history of being used in a derogatory manner or being used in propaganda to stir up racial hatred? Not that I know of (although of course if you call someone from Ireland a Brit then that's a different matter!)

Paki, chink and jap all do. If some Japanese people don't find it offensive, then fair enough, but I would feel uncomfortable as a white male telling other races what they should and shouldn't find offensive. The worst racism I experience on a daily basis is Japanese children shouting "hello" and then running away laughing...
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You said do you think calling someone a chink is OK??? No I don't and never suggested that I did...you said that....I just don't believe jap is a racist term, OK my opinion is different to yours, never mind eh? That's what forums are about...opinions! Why is Brit or Scot Not a racist term then? Jap is just an abbreviation, just like Brit, whats the difference? Stop getting offended on someone else's behalf
I asked you a question. I didn't suggest you were. It's nothing to do with getting offended on someone else's behalf. I was just suggesting that just because one thing isn't offensive, it doesn't mean that something else is (and vice versa).

I think the difference is that Brit and Scot are both terms used by the group in question to refer to themselves. I wouldn't think Jap/Chink/Paki (none of which I am suggesting you use - just to get that straight) are.
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Back to the question _ I don't think they will sack him
Is probably the right answer. Bad as I think his behaviour was, it's not on a par with what happened on their tour. Wouldn't feel happy at all if this was a Palace player though.
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Vardy for me is one of those players you just take an instant dislike to. They wont sell him but he should accept a hefty club fine if it does come his way.
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I wonder if he has a mate called Jap (nickname)? You'd never know. I think judging ahead of the facts is not the way to go.
At the same time, if there is an issue of bad behaviour, I would imagine his nascent England career is coming to a shuddering halt, whatever about Leicester.
He is a terrier of a player, I'll give him that. Of course when he plays for an opposition team, of course we're not going to be big fans but you can't hold that against Vardy.
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I asked you a question. I didn't suggest you were. It's nothing to do with getting offended on someone else's behalf. I was just suggesting that just because one thing isn't offensive, it doesn't mean that something else is (and vice versa).

I think the difference is that Brit and Scot are both terms used by the group in question to refer to themselves. I wouldn't think Jap/Chink/Paki (none of which I am suggesting you use - just to get that straight) are.
Let's not pretend Jap is even close to as taboo as Paki. It simply isn't. The person hearing it and the person saying it would feel very differently. It doesn't have the same connotations, history or implications.

We have all sorts of "offensive" terms for all sorts of nationalities and them for us. Whilst they aren't perhaps for polite society or very nice they are certainly not loaded with oppression and nastiness that comes with others such as paki.

People shouldn't be obnoxious, offensive, aggressive and nasty of course but they are so it's hardly a sacking offence. Just doesn't show him in a great light. He's probably a twat.. but he certainly is unlikely to be the only one in the squad.
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I wonder if he has a mate called Jap (nickname)? You'd never know. I think judging ahead of the facts is not the way to go.
At the same time, if there is an issue of bad behaviour, I would imagine his nascent England career is coming to a shuddering halt, whatever about Leicester.
He is a terrier of a player, I'll give him that. Of course when he plays for an opposition team, of course we're not going to be big fans but you can't hold that against Vardy.
Doesnt sound like he's talking to a mate at all. Here's the main part of the article, the guy lost his head.

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Vardy apparently thought a middle-aged man behind him at the poker table was looking at his cards. The video, obtained by the Sun on Sunday, shows him turn his head towards the man, point, and say: “Jap. Yo Jap. Walk on…oi, walk on. Yeah you...Jap. Walk on”.

A witness told the newspaper: “His girlfriend says to the man, 'you’ve been looking at his cards.’ They rowed for a couple of minutes and then the other guy eventually walked off.

“He behaved like an absolute animal. It was appalling. The other guy was a man of East Asian appearance. He looked shocked by what happened.”

When another gambler intervened, Vardy had to be physically restrained by De Laet. “That’s when he kicked right off . He went into an absolute rage,” the witness said.

The term ‘Jap’ – short for Japanese – has been considered derogatory since the 1940s. Dr Ruth Taplin, director for the Centre of Japanese and East Asian Studies in London, said: “It has never been culturally acceptable to use the word “Jap”. It’s a racist term
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Where did I say that...typical keyboard warrior, putting words into someone's post to suit your agenda....I merely mentioned Brits and Scots, terms that are used EVERY day without being seen as racist!
Quick question: are you unaware that words like Brit and Scot (and Finn and Pole and Croat and Turk and so on) are the actual names for these peoples, and that words like Jap (and Paki and Hebe and Spic and Chug and Eyetie and so on) are slang, despite being similar to (part of) the formal terminology?

I mean, if you don't think Jap's offensive, you can say that, but the 'well I don't complain about this formal term so why are they complaining about that slang term?' argument makes you look a little simple, you know...
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I bet he wasn't even Japanese. The thick cunit Vardy probably calls anyone asian a Jap.
Maybe he was 5'4
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