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Old 10-08-2015, 05:12 PM
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Of course they won't sack him. If deemed necessary by the club a personal apology will suit.
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Quick question: are you unaware that words like Brit and Scot (and Finn and Pole and Croat and Turk and so on) are the actual names for these peoples, and that words like Jap (and Paki and Hebe and Spic and Chug and Eyetie and so on) are slang, despite being similar to (part of) the formal terminology?

I mean, if you don't think Jap's offensive, you can say that, but the 'well I don't complain about this formal term so why are they complaining about that slang term?' argument makes you look a little simple, you know...
Brit is actually a name?? For British? Its shortened/slang ! So take your offensive remark and shove it.
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Why should they sack him? Another club would sign him within 5 minutes.
Probably sunderland,they are partial to fascists and racists. One managed them not long ago.

Vardy is a racist ****.
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Old 10-08-2015, 07:52 PM
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They were on a club tour.. Whilst Vardy comes across as particularly dis-likable in the clip. It is hardly on the same level as filming yourself on the club's tour of Thailand. Racially abusing and being outrageously sexually disrespectful to ladies of the night you are in the process of having group sex with in the hotel the club has paid for you to stay in!! Especially when you consider the sex industry in countries like this is driven by poverty.

Jap is an odd one. I always think of it a bit like Kraut or wop. Yeah it's not ideal but ultimately the japanese aren't losing sleep over it and i am not sure it requires the same moral outrage that many other racial slurs do.
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Old 10-08-2015, 09:58 PM
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Let's not pretend Jap is even close to as taboo as Paki. It simply isn't. The person hearing it and the person saying it would feel very differently. It doesn't have the same connotations, history or implications.

We have all sorts of "offensive" terms for all sorts of nationalities and them for us. Whilst they aren't perhaps for polite society or very nice they are certainly not loaded with oppression and nastiness that comes with others such as paki.

People shouldn't be obnoxious, offensive, aggressive and nasty of course but they are so it's hardly a sacking offence. Just doesn't show him in a great light. He's probably a twat.. but he certainly is unlikely to be the only one in the squad.
Just a view from the Japanese embassy

The Japanese Embassy in London went after a London newspaper for using the term in 2011. The following statement came from the embassy at that time:

Most Japanese people find the word Jap offensive, irrespective of the circumstances in which it is used.
~ Embassy of Japan in the UK
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Would have thought they would have no choice but to sack him if employees have been sacked before for doing the same thing.

Not the same thing although both bad of course
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Of course they won't sack him. If deemed necessary by the club a personal apology will suit.
And if he scores goals to keep them up, the owners may even spring for some 'jap' to give him a sexy happy ending massage ...
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In his defence here he does only call the guy a jap.. isn't that the same as calling us a brit in their country? Not really that demeaning imho
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Unlike in England, in the U.S, when you play pool it is regarded as bad sportsmanship to try and snooker an opponent. The derogatory term for this is 'Japping.' It was explained to me that to Jap someone was dirty and sneaky, just like the attack on Pearl Harbor. Then again, I doubt very much if Vardy even knows where Pearl Harbour is.
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My view is that words are not inherently offensive. Getting hung up about the actual words used misses the point. The offense is in the intent of the speaker and the understanding of the listener.

Vardy seems to be an offensive ****.
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Chelsea fired Adrian Mutu and then successfull sued him for around £15m, but I doubt Leicester will take the same approach.

Also, I'm surprised there has been no noise from the FA etc. who are usually all over allegations of racism.
Because due to an alleged drug problem, Mutu was banned and therefore made himself unavailable for them to select.
He was therefore unable to fulfil his contract to play for them, and they argued they had wasted a transfer fee and salary on him.

Vardy, despite coming across as an odious piece of work, is still able to play.

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Jap is more racial than Brit. An Australian will seldom be called the latter but a Chinese, Korean, Thai ect who sends a lot of time living in the west will hear the former from time to time.
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Well it appears that calling someone a Brit or a Scot isn't racist so why should calling someone a Jap be racist..?...its all getting way too PC now..or should I be offended if I am called a Brit?? FFS its getting more stupid every day
Would you say Paki isn't racist?

nice use of PC though, let's shove it all under the carpet and make out it's the bleeding heart tree huggers fault
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Jap is more racial than Brit. An Australian will seldom be called the latter but a Chinese, Korean, Thai ect who sends a lot of time living in the west will hear the former from time to time.
Exactly. It's used against people who look East Asian, much like paki is used against people who look South Asian, not just people from Pakistan. Apparently the guy he was shouting at in the video was East Asian and probably not even close to being Japanese. If someone shouted at me and called me a yank because I'm white, I'd be more confused than offended. The two are very different things.

English people may think terms like paki are worse, but that's just because the UK has more of a history of immigration from South Asia, and more discrimination and violence against people from there. America on the other hand had a lot of immigration from Japan and there is more history of discrimination against Japanese, notably around the time of forced interment of Japanese-Americans on the east coast (yes, they were rounded up and put into camps, even if they were third generation). It's hard to argue that it wasn't being used as a racial slur at the time:

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If large proportions of the British diaspora have suffered similar discrimination and find the term "Brit" equally offensive, then I'd be interested to hear about that.
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Would you say Paki isn't racist?

nice use of PC though, let's shove it all under the carpet and make out it's the bleeding heart tree huggers fault
Not at all, paki is racist, never suggested it wasn't! My point was that too many people get offended on someone else's behalf these days.... And should we be offended if someone refers to us as Brits or Scots (as happens a lot in the media) as its just an abbreviation, not a racist slur.
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Not at all, paki is racist, never suggested it wasn't! My point was that too many people get offended on someone else's behalf these days.... And should we be offended if someone refers to us as Brits or Scots (as happens a lot in the media) as its just an abbreviation, not a racist slur.
Your wrong as highlighted its deemed offensive by the Japanese see the quote earlier from the Japanese embassey. Its origins as offensive comes from the second world war and was used as such by the press at the time. Nip shorten from the Japanese word for Japan and Jap.
The term Paki comes from the press derogatory use in the 1960's once immigration from Asia began from there.
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Not at all, paki is racist, never suggested it wasn't! My point was that too many people get offended on someone else's behalf these days.... And should we be offended if someone refers to us as Brits or Scots (as happens a lot in the media) as its just an abbreviation, not a racist slur.
Indians call pakistani's Pak's/Paki's.

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Your wrong as highlighted its deemed offensive by the Japanese see the quote earlier from the Japanese embassey. Its origins as offensive comes from the second world war and was used as such by the press at the time. Nip shorten from the Japanese word for Japan and Jap.
The term Paki comes from the press derogatory use in the 1960's once immigration from Asia began from there.
OK as this is just going round in circles can you please answer my question...are Brit, Scot, Aussie also racist terms, just so I can be sure not to offend them?
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OK as this is just going round in circles can you please answer my question...are Brit, Scot, Aussie also racist terms, just so I can be sure not to offend them?
If someone called me a Scot then i'd be very offended (but then i'm not Scottish).

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Probably sunderland,they are partial to fascists and racists. One managed them not long ago.

Vardy is a racist ****.
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They will find enough 'differences' to justify sacking the previous 3 but not Vardy. All the noise at the time was that they had to come down hard of racism with foreign owners and trying to open up foreign markets. Usually goals and points count for more than moral values though.
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