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I've given you reasons why I don't agree.



Kelly is no way one of our worst ever players. It's a ridiculous statement.



Fvck off onto NSC you dick

Hahahahaha you've truly embarrassed yourself. How can a debate on a crap right back get you so wound up?

F me your daily life must be a struggle!
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Very solid 2nd half (when he came on) at Chelsea yesterday.
If he wants to stay and Sam wants him then good . Sam will make him a better defender and he will be a good back up .
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Old 02-04-2017, 08:50 AM
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And another one who can't form an argument. Sometimes the ignorance of football supporters makes me sick.

You disagree with anything I've said - if so what? That's how it works.
You've not made a case for your ludicrous statement.

He's more than solid enough as a defender. He's not great going forward, but he sticks to his task and will be more than dependable as a back up (which he is).

Considering we've had Dean Moxey a Premier League left back he's not even one of our worst defenders in the last 4 years, let alone worse players of all time.

What makes him so terrible?
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One of the worst players ever to play for us. Not his fault just so far out of his depth it's untrue. If we have to rely on him in the next 9 games we'll be relegated.
He is not a left back but has filled in for us on numerous occasions, as for one of the worst players ever to play for us, one must be Zeki Fryers who couldn't get in the team when he was the only fit left back at the club!!
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You've not made a case for your ludicrous statement.



He's more than solid enough as a defender. He's not great going forward, but he sticks to his task and will be more than dependable as a back up (which he is).



Considering we've had Dean Moxey a Premier League left back he's not even one of our worst defenders in the last 4 years, let alone worse players of all time.



What makes him so terrible?

Are you serious - a solid defender? His performances this season have been a disgrace. He has cost us points time and time again. He is so far out of his depth in the PL it's embarrassing.

He is not a better left back than Dean Moxey (who was also way out of his depth).

My hope was he might convert to a decent CB but that looks unlikely.

I'm sure he'll be gone in the summer and that will be a great relief.
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This really is pathetic. If you disagree with something then explain your agreement. Don't revert to calling everyone troll who doesn't agree with you. To coin a classic BBS phrase - you appear to be a true pant wetter.

Grow up and be a man/woman.
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Personally I don't think he's great but is adequate cover (as seen yesterday). To say he's one of the worst players ever to pull on the shirt is just a bit daft.
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He is not a left back but has filled in for us on numerous occasions, as for one of the worst players ever to play for us, one must be Zeki Fryers who couldn't get in the team when he was the only fit left back at the club!!

He's equally shit at right back. He's just a useless footballer at this level.
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Old 02-04-2017, 09:03 AM
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Did you see him at cb yesterday?
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Old 02-04-2017, 09:05 AM
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Kelly generally has performed well when playing for Palace under the right type of manager, up until the time that Pardew took over as management. As either left back or right back under Pulis, did did a good job. That's because the manager and coaching staff knew what they were doing defensively and coached it into the back five (inc gk).

In comes billy big bollocks pardew and totally coaches defending skills out of the back five.

Bring in Big Sam and little Sam and we're back top defending well again.

I was extremely uncomfortable with the shit Kelly was getting from some sections of the crowd during Pardew's last few months. I knew that he wasn't a bad defender, along with Dann, Delaney and Ward, it was just that our glorious egotistical tw@t of a so called manager, super al had f@cked them up with his inability to coach defending.

Kelly got good marks in the press for his performance yesterday defending against the best team in the league.

CPFC will never be known for being a great attractive attacking side, we could never attract that sort of manager or afford that sort of player, but we can be known for a good defensive unit, brilliant on the counter and excellent from set pieces.

Kelly, imho would be a very good replacement when wee have injuries. So I have no problem with him extending his contract.
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Good, honest pro - totally hung out to dry playing in his 3rd best position due to the previous managers inability to buy defensive cover. For those reasons, he's an easy scapegoat. Imagine he's a good guy to have around the place, no issues with this at all compared to others we have on the payroll.
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Kelly generally has performed well when playing for Palace under the right type of manager, up until the time that Pardew took over as management. As either left back or right back under Pulis, did did a good job. That's because the manager and coaching staff knew what they were doing defensively and coached it into the back five (inc gk).

In comes billy big bollocks pardew and totally coaches defending skills out of the back five.

Bring in Big Sam and little Sam and we're back top defending well again.

I was extremely uncomfortable with the shit Kelly was getting from some sections of the crowd during Pardew's last few months. I knew that he wasn't a bad defender, along with Dann, Delaney and Ward, it was just that our glorious egotistical tw@t of a so called manager, super al had f@cked them up with his inability to coach defending.

Kelly got good marks in the press for his performance yesterday defending against the best team in the league.

CPFC will never be known for being a great attractive attacking side, we could never attract that sort of manager or afford that sort of player, but we can be known for a good defensive unit, brilliant on the counter and excellent from set pieces.

Kelly, imho would be a very good replacement when wee have injuries. So I have no problem with him extending his contract.
Not every squad player we have can be on the wages of free transfer Sako, that would be the route to bankruptcy
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He's equally shit at right back. He's just a useless footballer at this level.
Its your timing that has caused the outlash against your comments. Had you criticised Kelly before in his last performance when he was subbed off after playing very poorly, many although not agreeing with you wouldn't have batted an eyelid, but your innane comment comes after Kelly comes on against the potential champions in one of our best defensive displays in the last 5 years to make important challenges while operating with the backline that battled against Chelsea's constant attacks that was gifted more minutes of added on time anyone has ever seen. That's why people either think you are an idiot or a troll.

Im sorry for mistaking you for a troll.
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Did you see him at cb yesterday?

Yeh thought he did okay. Do you think he is a PL quality CB in the making?
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Its your timing that has caused the outlash against your comments. Had you criticised Kelly before in his last performance when he was subbed off after playing very poorly, many although not agreeing with you wouldn't have batted an eyelid, but your innane comment comes after Kelly comes on against the potential champions in one of our best defensive displays in the last 5 years to make important challenges while operating with the backline, against Chelsea's constant attacks that was gifted more minutes of added on time anyone has ever seen. That's why people either think you are an idiot or a troll.

Im sorry for mistaking you for a troll.
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Its your timing that has caused the outlash against your comments. Had you criticised Kelly before in his last performance when he was subbed off after playing very poorly, many although not agreeing with you wouldn't have batted an eyelid, but your innane comment comes after Kelly comes on against the potential champions in one of our best defensive displays in the last 5 years to make important challenges while operating with the backline, against Chelsea's constant attacks that was gifted more minutes of added on time anyone has ever seen. That's why people either think you are an idiot or a troll.

Im sorry for mistaking you for a troll.

Makes no sense - yesterday's fantastic team performance is not relevant in any way to the fact that he isn't good enough. I haven't suggested for a moment that he was poor yesterday. Ridiculous argument.

I couldn't care less about an outlash (sic) at my comments. I'm correct on Kelly just as I was in regard to Joe Ledley. Both not good enough and both need to be disposed of asap.
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He's equally shit at right back. He's just a useless footballer at this level.
Don't you think he could improve as a defender with good coaching and better confidence?
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Personally i don't think Martin Kelly is a Full Back left or right as he lacks pace when he is run at but would make excellent cover as a Centre Back, maybe not as first choice.
The problem has been he has seldom played or even been used in that position over the past 2 seasons to be properly judged, but i remember reading Jamie Carragher say a little while back that Kelly was an outstanding prospect when they played alongside at CB for Liverpool, and he should know about central defenders.
If and hopefully not, Tomkins and Dann are missing in the coming weeks that should open the door for Kelly, and with the knowledge of Big Sam in that area should help him improve, and then he can be judged if he warrants a new contract or not in the summer.
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Don't you think he could improve as a defender with good coaching and better confidence?

I was hopeful that he could become a decent CB but I see no evidence of that now. He certainly can't play full back.
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