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Warnocks signings.

Really interesting piece in the Guardian today about Neil Warnock and his signings at Cardiff which a lot are via a football agency that his son works for.The piece also includes a bit about Tony Pulis and his son.

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This has been ignored, which is a shame. In my view the whole world of football governance is a fascinating subject and potentially a Pandora's box which will one day burst open. Ironically the Emiliano Sala tragedy has had the spin off benefit of having spurred some sections of the print media into action, most notably the Guardian and of all things the Daily Mail. Someone described the Sala transaction as basically putting £15m in a blender, which is quite a good analogy given the various parties apparently involved (£1m to Sala's mother according to Willy McKay??). More broadly though there are a number of vested interests at play with football journalists which mean they overlook this crucial and very interesting area of enquiry - they all enjoy their cosy relationships with the top managers and they want to ghost write the big players' autobiographies.

Clearly some of these things are close to the knuckle from a legal perspective so we need to be careful to avoid too much speculation on specific people / cases. However known facts can be stated. To take a random example, we know that Jason Puncheon accused Neil Warnock on Twitter of forcing his players to insert appearance bonus clauses into their contracts, so he could get a kickback from them when he picked them. We know that the FA's response to this, rather than fully investigate the claim, was to charge Puncheon with bringing the game into disrepute. Puncheon was eventually fined £15k and he retracted his remarks. The clear inference is therefore that the FA believe he made the whole thing up, which seemed odd to me at the time.

It is interesting to do a bit of delving online into various players, managers, agents and transfers, and how they all inter-relate. I do it from time to time when commuting down to London. For example I was interested to note that the Bournemouth player David Brooks, a Will Salthouse client, has also now invested in the DirtyBird restaurant business alongside Salthouse, Glenn Murray, Wayne Routledge and our own Chairman. DirtyBird is quite heavily loss making, having posted a loss of around £600k in its most recent financial statements.

Would be good to exchange general thoughts about what goes on in this world, and maybe some other factual snippets of information that others might be aware of. No idle speculation.
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This has been ignored, which is a shame. In my view the whole world of football governance is a fascinating subject and potentially a Pandora's box which will one day burst open. Ironically the Emiliano Sala tragedy has had the spin off benefit of having spurred some sections of the print media into action, most notably the Guardian and of all things the Daily Mail. Someone described the Sala transaction as basically putting £15m in a blender, which is quite a good analogy given the various parties apparently involved (£1m to Sala's mother according to Willy McKay??). More broadly though there are a number of vested interests at play with football journalists which mean they overlook this crucial and very interesting area of enquiry - they all enjoy their cosy relationships with the top managers and they want to ghost write the big players' autobiographies.

Clearly some of these things are close to the knuckle from a legal perspective so we need to be careful to avoid too much speculation on specific people / cases. However known facts can be stated. To take a random example, we know that Jason Puncheon accused Neil Warnock on Twitter of forcing his players to insert appearance bonus clauses into their contracts, so he could get a kickback from them when he picked them. We know that the FA's response to this, rather than fully investigate the claim, was to charge Puncheon with bringing the game into disrepute. Puncheon was eventually fined £15k and he retracted his remarks. The clear inference is therefore that the FA believe he made the whole thing up, which seemed odd to me at the time.

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Pulis, Redknapp, Warnock don't they all live down near, close to eachother Bournemouth too? Ferguson will have been into this kind of thing too.
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I am fairly certain this has been the case throughout the history of the game. Its merely that the sums are a bit bigger. The role of agents is certainly a newer dimension it has to be said. But managers with their snouts in the trough isn't a new thing.
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I am fairly certain this has been the case throughout the history of the game. Its merely that the sums are a bit bigger. The role of agents is certainly a newer dimension it has to be said. But managers with their snouts in the trough isn't a new thing.
Thats why I said "increasingly"
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The former Fulham employee Craig Kline is worth a look on twitter...dismissed by many (including some football journalists) as a crazy man with an axe to grind, but he has released some tantalising snippets of what he claims to be a huge body of evidence about corruption and criminal activity in the game.
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Football is fixed is another worth a look if you have an open mind and can get past their very flowery prose. FWIW they were predicting early a Man U FA cup win this year as a reward for getting rid of Mourinho, who wasn’t playing the game.
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Football agents are such upstanding human beings. I cannot imagine they would ever be involved in such naughtiness as has been suggested in this thread.

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I have no idea what they mean abiut Man Utd. Presumably by what, fixing the draw? Arsenal and Chelsea Away in consecutive rounds. Wolves away next. I'm all for talking about corruption but struggle with that logic.
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Football is fixed is another worth a look if you have an open mind and can get past their very flowery prose. FWIW they were predicting early a Man U FA cup win this year as a reward for getting rid of Mourinho, who wasn’t playing the game.
One of their recent blogs had Palace as the third most favoured Premier League team when it comes to refereeing decisions.
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One of their recent blogs had Palace as the third most favoured Premier League team when it comes to refereeing decisions.
They do have something about us, and Hodgson in particular.

Also, they focused on Leicester a lot when they won the title, right down to Vardys cast.
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That piece was from 2011; wonder how much progress has been made since then?
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I remember reading in Brian Clough's autobiography that said something along the lines of, "there are two typs of people in football. Football people (the players, coached and so on) and non-football people (the club owners and chairmen). Non-football people's job is to provide money. Football people's job is to take as much money off them as possible."

I suspect some of our recent managers had the Clough philosophy.

I also think it is changing. Premier league clubs are multi-million pound franchises and they cannot be run by self-interested amateurs. I see it becoming more like North American sports franchises where the money men and sporting staff are separate. I think Parish sees it this way as well.
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Setting aside the obvious schadenfreude derived from watching Paul Scholes fall flat on his arse, some interesting stories now starting to emerge from Oldham.

As a reminder, the club is owned by a Moroccan football agent. The owner apparently pressed Scholes hard to select a Spanish player he had brought in to the club. He promised a new two year deal in the summer to someone who hasn't appeared for the first team all season. And he instructed some players to stay away from training, thus forcing Scholes' hand with match day squad selection.

This latter tactic is one which the Fulham whistleblower / nutter (depending on your point of view) Craig Kline alleges is commonplace at clubs where an agent has undue influence behind the scenes. Agent wants club to either buy or sell a player in his stable, and applies pressure by instructing others of his players already at the club to exaggerate or make up injuries so they cannot be selected for matches until the deal is agreed. Kline named the names of agents who indulge in such practices, but I believe he has now deleted these posts from social media so I won't mention any here. In any event it is easy enough to fund out which agents control many of the players at Fulham.
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More strange goings on at Fulham.

In January they invited the promising 17 year old Hartlepool defender Luca Murphy to a trial, with a view to signing him. This was agreed to with some enthusiasm by the cash strapped 'Pools, who had nurtured Murphy through their academy ranks since he was 8 years old. They were keen to reap a return on their investment.

It seems the trial did not go all that well though, and at the end of it Murphy was sent back to Hartlepool along with a list of the reasons why he wasn't right for Fulham. Fair enough, maybe he needs a bit more development before becoming a real saleable asset.

However, immediately upon his return it seems Murphy's behaviour and attitude deteriorated rapidly. Attempts to sign him onto a full professional contract fell on stony ground, and Pools eventually felt they had no choice but to release him.

Who should then pop up but Fulham to proudly announce that they had captured Murphy's signature on a two year contract - a rapid change of heart and happily for them no compensation payable to Hartlepool, who had developed him into the player he is, since he was a free agent. It seems that agent fee were paid though to secure the transaction.

Hartlepool have now issued a strongly worded statement, highly critical of Murphy himself, his agent and Fulham, which basically says they have been ripped off. They intend to vigorously pursue the compensation which they see is rightfully theirs.

I havent yet been able to find out which agent engineered this transaction.
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In January they invited the promising 17 year old Hartlepool defender Luca Murphy to a trial, with a view to signing him. This was agreed to with some enthusiasm by the cash strapped 'Pools, who had nurtured Murphy through their academy ranks since he was 8 years old. They were keen to reap a return on their investment.

It seems the trial did not go all that well though, and at the end of it Murphy was sent back to Hartlepool along with a list of the reasons why he wasn't right for Fulham. Fair enough, maybe he needs a bit more development before becoming a real saleable asset.

However, immediately upon his return it seems Murphy's behaviour and attitude deteriorated rapidly. Attempts to sign him onto a full professional contract fell on stony ground, and Pools eventually felt they had no choice but to release him.

Who should then pop up but Fulham to proudly announce that they had captured Murphy's signature on a two year contract - a rapid change of heart and happily for them no compensation payable to Hartlepool, who had developed him into the player he is, since he was a free agent. It seems that agent fee were paid though to secure the transaction.

Hartlepool have now issued a strongly worded statement, highly critical of Murphy himself, his agent and Fulham, which basically says they have been ripped off. They intend to vigorously pursue the compensation which they see is rightfully theirs.

I havent yet been able to find out which agent engineered this transaction.
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