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Old 21-09-2019, 02:53 PM
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Weren’t TC bought by Chinese investors some time ago?
Yes, only recently. Don't they own 75% of the airline and 25% of the tour operator now after putting in £900m
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. And as others have pointed out, the days of people not picking and choosing to get the cheapest in travel are over.
They aren't though are they? Tui, jet2 and TC are the top 3 holiday providers in the UK still. Millions upon millions still buy holidays through package holiday companies and this ratio hasn't changed much over the years. So much so that easyjet holidays are going big in this area. With all the uncertainty at the moment people still see reassurance in package holidays. We love them, especially with a young family. If you're a young couple then it would be different
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Old 21-09-2019, 03:13 PM
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Yes, only recently. Don't they own 75% of the airline and 25% of the tour operator now after putting in £900m
I thought it was the other way around
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Old 21-09-2019, 05:36 PM
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Unnecessary. But thanks.

If a charter style operation is charging more than scheduled but still in the shite then there's something very wrong. And as others have pointed out, the days of people not picking and choosing to get the cheapest in travel are over.
They’re really not you know. In travel, as in many other things, the cheapest is not always the best or most desirable.

People have been depicting the demise of the travel agent for over forty years.
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Old 21-09-2019, 08:59 PM
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They’re really not you know. In travel, as in many other things, the cheapest is not always the best or most desirable.

People have been depicting the demise of the travel agent for over forty years.
In any event I thought that the TC airline was very profitable, I think they also have a deal with the RAF where they lease the converted air tankers at a lower cost don’t they ?
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They aren't though are they? Tui, jet2 and TC are the top 3 holiday providers in the UK still. Millions upon millions still buy holidays through package holiday companies and this ratio hasn't changed much over the years. So much so that easyjet holidays are going big in this area. With all the uncertainty at the moment people still see reassurance in package holidays. We love them, especially with a young family. If you're a young couple then it would be different
Whenever I discuss holidays I appear to be in a minority that buy flights and accommodation separately, all inclusive seems to be a big favourite which is surely part of a package, isn't it?
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Whenever I discuss holidays I appear to be in a minority that buy flights and accommodation separately, all inclusive seems to be a big favourite which is surely part of a package, isn't it?
You can purchase all inclusive direct from a hotel or through aggregators like booking.com

I went with TUI this summer and, because of that experience, I will never book a package holiday again. There is no point.
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Plenty of online providers offer the option to book apartments where you can choose between Bed and Breakfast, Half Board, Full Board or All Inclusive (and see the variance in price accordingly

The difference between BB and AI can be as little as £20 (each) a day, which is nothing really to a big eater/drinker. Of course these hotels in Spain/Turkey/Balaerics etc can do mass catering, and the booze is so cheap that they can operate and still run profitably

The package holiday companies do well because of the ABTA/ATOL guarantees, the ease of not pissing around putting it together yourself, and that they put all the connections together for you. Doing it yourself, if one element suffers a cancellation there is the potential of a ball-ache. Families with kids like the ease and hassle free nature of packages IMO
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Surely TC are toast even if they get emergency bail out. Given the big publicity about them being on the verge of going bust and hundreds of thousands of people stuck abroad, who is going to book a holiday with them in the next year if they do get the finance? Why take the risk when they could run into financial problems again and you get stuck? Surely reputation is everything in a service industry of this kind.
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You can purchase all inclusive direct from a hotel or through aggregators like booking.com

I went with TUI this summer and, because of that experience, I will never book a package holiday again. There is no point.
Oh ok.

I haven't booked a package holiday for over 25 years, and it's become so easy to build your own holiday these days.
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Old 22-09-2019, 07:34 AM
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Oh ok.

I haven't booked a package holiday for over 25 years, and it's become so easy to build your own holiday these days.
Normally I book everything seperately, but the price I get from TC, foy my January holiday is cheaper than a flight. I do only book a few days before I go though and may lose the holiday if TC's flight is fully booked.
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Old 22-09-2019, 07:42 AM
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Surely TC are toast even if they get emergency bail out. Given the big publicity about them being on the verge of going bust and hundreds of thousands of people stuck abroad, who is going to book a holiday with them in the next year if they do get the finance? Why take the risk when they could run into financial problems again and you get stuck? Surely reputation is everything in a service industry of this kind.
Tbf TC have very publicly been in the shit for ages and people still booked holidays with them.
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Each to their own.

I couldn’t think of anything worse than a hotel full board. One of the main things about a holiday for us is to experience different food in different restaurants. Having a buffet style dinner in a hotel does nothing for me. I can see the attraction of all inclusive if you’ve got very young kids. Some of our very best holidays have been camping ones in France when the kids were young. Fantastic times.

It really isn’t a hassle booking separate nowadays though. Took 20 mins this year when we went to Portugal (we have done it before mind so knew the flights and apartments we wanted) Flights via Skyscanner, apartment via Booking.com, transfers via Yellowfish. Even when we had to change my eldest daughters flight to the following day, it was a 5 min phone call and that was Ryanair!

Just can’t see why I’d ever book a package in Europe to be honest
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Tbf TC have very publicly been in the shit for ages and people still booked holidays with them.
I don’t think to this degree. If you followed business news or the share price then you might have been worried but I’m not sure the general person on the street knew that much. All this talk of hundreds of thousands being stranded is a permanent stain on the business.
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Tbf TC have very publicly been in the shit for ages and people still booked holidays with them.
They have you're right, but this is different level. Similar thing happened with monarch a couple of years back. Kept getting last minute extensions and discounting their holidays to get volume, but had ultimately lost customer confidence and they went bust. Same will likely happen here even if they get some funding
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Had some great package hols when we had a young family although steered clear of alli inclusives as not for us, but some great memories and mostly with TC would be sad to see them go

We do our own thing now but if something goes wrong then you are on your own which i can see puts some people off, had a couple of interesting situations this summer but thankfully had actually booked ourselves onto a TC flight to return from Majorca on the day of the French ATC problems, easyjet were cancelling flights left, right and centre but i guess TC hung in there as the plane was mainly full of package holidaymakers and we made it back only a couple of hours late

Really dont like the way the press keep interviewing people that are worried about their holiday bookings, far more important are the people that are looking to lose their jobs, good luck to them if the worst happens
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Largest peacetime repatriation now underway. Good luck to the Civil Aviation Authority - one hell of a task they face.
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In summer 1986, I was going to a few places in Europe by train to go and see Erasure and Depeche Mode (Sweden, France, Denmark). The Thomas Cook train timetable, which was about an inch thick and seemed to have every train service listed wherever you wanted to go, was pretty much my bible for that trip.

It also saved the whole trip from becoming derailed (no pun intended) very early on. I'd seen Erasure at the Hultsfred Festival the night before, stayed in someone's tent, and next morning had to get an early train from there to Malmo, to get the ferry, to get the train I'd booked down to the south of France to see DM. If I missed that first ferry, everything else booked would fall over. I found myself wandering around in some field in the middle of Sweden, completely lost, with no-one else around. I finally found a farmer, and asked where the station was. He was surely the only Swede not to speak a word of English, which in turn was as much Swedish as I could speak. He didn't even get my impression of a train! At which point I suddenly remembered the TC bible, dug it out of the bag, pointed to the back cover which had a picture of a train, and hey presto he then pointed the way.

Anyway, that's the story of how the Thomas Cook Bible saved the day.
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