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I feel Kick It Outs position is not based on the relationship between Silva and Mendy but between Silva and the millions of people that look up to him. It may be a joke between them, but will it be a joke when someone else is inspired to use it maliciously.

Make the joke, just don't do it on a public forum. I make completly unacceptable comments to my friends, but I don't publicise them
But seriously, is it really unacceptable? If he called him the 'n' word and it was an in joke yes that would be unacceptable.

Its not just that its a joke between friends it's clear it wasn't meant as a race thing in the slightest. Just because the character is black... Someone has already mentioned the simpsons, is Carl an offensive character because he is black? Is it racist to describe to the police an offender or potential witness as black when he is?

The image is of a black coloured cartoon character... It's hardly trying to offend Mendy in terms of race!
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But seriously, is it really unacceptable? If he called him the 'n' word and it was an in joke yes that would be unacceptable.

Its not just that its a joke between friends it's clear it wasn't meant as a race thing in the slightest. Just because the character is black... Someone has already mentioned the simpsons, is Carl an offensive character because he is black? Is it racist to describe to the police an offender or potential witness as black when he is?

The image is of a black coloured cartoon character... It's hardly trying to offend Mendy in terms of race!
I mean, the character is very golliwoggish, just look at it. Dunno if they’ve modernised it recently, but at one point he was even holding a spear. Really struggling to grasp the comparison to Carl from the Simpsons.
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Just done a bit of google researching on the company....the product was first released in 1961 where the original logo characters were caricatures of spear-wielding African natives. However, the modern-day Conguitos, are anthropomorphic blobs that lounge around swimming pools in an atmosphere of fun and leisure.
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Mendy called the police and had BS arrested. When that happened they found BS in nazi uniform with blackface.
It turned out that it wasn't Silva. After they washed the paint off his face, they found the real culprit:

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Just done a bit of google researching on the company....the product was first released in 1961 where the original logo characters were caricatures of spear-wielding African natives. However, the modern-day Conguitos, are anthropomorphic blobs that lounge around swimming pools in an atmosphere of fun and leisure.
They still look like golliwogs or some kind of racist caricatures though. Spain is just a bit further behind Northern Europe on issues like these it would seem.
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They still look like golliwogs or some kind of racist caricatures though. Spain is just a bit further behind Northern Europe on issues like these it would seem.
How do they look like that? So what you're saying is that no company can use any black characters or logos? That's the sort of thing that would get them accused of discrimination and/or lack of diversity. Seems like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't these days
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How do they look like that? So what you're saying is that no company can use any black characters or logos? That's the sort of thing that would get them accused of discrimination and/or lack of diversity. Seems like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't these days
Google pictures of ‘minstrels’ caricatures (which I got mixed up with golliwogs), and compare. The character himself looks pretty much the same as the one from the 60s, who as Bubbs said, was a caricature of spear wielding Africans.

You’re being melodramatic and obtuse.
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What was Mendy's reply?

We are in real danger of exaggerating offence where it is not warranted to the point real offences no longer have any meaning.
Kinda, but to draw a comparison, there’s black people who don’t care if their white friends say the N word. Does that mean it’s acceptable to post a video of it on social media? I’m not so sure.

This definitely isn’t as serious, and I personally don’t think Silva should be punished. This is a famous brand that created the image, it should be taken up with them if people have a problem. Maybe just give him an explanation for why some people are ‘outraged.’
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Why would anyone be outraged? All this farce does is take attention away from real issues.
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Kinda, but to draw a comparison, thereís black people who donít care if their white friends say the N word. Does that mean itís acceptable to post a video of it on social media? Iím not so sure.

This definitely isnít as serious, and I personally donít think Silva should be punished. This is a famous brand that created the image, it should be taken up with them if people have a problem. Maybe just give him an explanation for why some people are Ďoutraged.í
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I think it'd help if Kick It Out gave a bit of context as to why they'd take issue with it as, clearly (and fairly), a lot of people won't appreciate why there's an issue here.
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Why would anyone be outraged? All this farce does is take attention away from real issues.
Does it though? There's been loads in the press in recent weeks about the crackdown on the racist abuse players are receiving on social media and I don't think this changes that at all.
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Why would anyone be outraged? .
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Surely itís up to mendy to decide? He really is the only person who genuinely knows if silva is being racist. Certainly a lesson to be learnt about being more careful on social media but if mendy says they are friends and itís not offensive then it isnít and everyone else can **** off stirring shit that isnít their business?!

Racists can **** off but most of them have. This sort of thing is only still a problem because the PC brigade like to have something to have a hissy fit about even when itís something where neither of them considered any racial dimension!

Itís s great example of genuine equality. 2 friends share a joke not even thinking about race. Perfect... wait... we canít have that kind of equality though, itís not ******* dramatic enough
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Racists can **** off but most of them have. This sort of thing is only still a problem because the PC brigade like to have something to have a hissy fit about even when itís something where neither of them considered any racial dimension!
The complaint was made by Kick It Out, they've done a lot of good work and the bulk of the response that I've seen has been people agreeing with what you are saying rather than having any "hissy fits"
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Does it though? There's been loads in the press in recent weeks about the crackdown on the racist abuse players are receiving on social media and I don't think this changes that at all.
The battle is lost though when things like this come out. It will bring all the right wing "freedom of speech" arguments out in spades. Everyone can see the abuse is wrong. Everyone can see that this isn't. The abuse should be the big story.
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Surely itís up to mendy to decide? He really is the only person who genuinely knows if silva is being racist. Certainly a lesson to be learnt about being more careful on social media but if mendy says they are friends and itís not offensive then it isnít and everyone else can **** off stirring shit that isnít their business?!

Racists can **** off but most of them have. This sort of thing is only still a problem because the PC brigade like to have something to have a hissy fit about even when itís something where neither of them considered any racial dimension!

Itís s great example of genuine equality. 2 friends share a joke not even thinking about race. Perfect... wait... we canít have that kind of equality though, itís not ******* dramatic enough
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