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Old 11-10-2019, 10:08 AM
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Diplomatic immunity row

Unbelievable story. How does she sleep at night, absolute coward.

And imagine Donald Trump shrugging his shoulders at the death of your son and saying ‘it happens’.

Can’t even begin to imagine how painful this must be for the parents.
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Old 11-10-2019, 10:10 AM
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Why should diplomatic immunity exist at all?
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Old 11-10-2019, 10:28 AM
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The Embassies are sovereign territory I get that but bonkers that the diplomats aren't under our law once they step outside.

Thatcher let the killer of PC Yvonnne Fletcher escape from the Libyan Embassy. Not her finest moment the ruinous of the U.K. old hag
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Old 11-10-2019, 10:45 AM
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Embassies are not sovereign territory.
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Old 11-10-2019, 10:51 AM
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Indeed. If you give birth in the American embassy, for example, your child does not become an American citizen.
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Old 11-10-2019, 10:59 AM
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Indeed. If you give birth in the American embassy, for example, your child does not become an American citizen.
Likewise if your Argentinian friend, when visiting Washington DC, sees the Argentine Embassy and runs into the driveway does a little celebratory jump, pops a big smile, and then runs out hasn’t been on Argentinian soil.

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Why should diplomatic immunity exist at all?
Because Diplomats are not immigrants, they are representatives of their host countries. If it doesn't exist they can become targets and pawns.

Moreover would you wish the wife of a British diplomat stationed in Jeddah to be imprisoned and whipped for disobeying her husband and therefore breaking Saudi Law?

Diplomatic immunity is absolutely sensible. However this appears to be an abuse of the system and it certainly isn't singular in its occurence
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Old 11-10-2019, 11:42 AM
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It was reported (in the sub-Standard so not sure how trustworthy) that the husband was never registered with St James' Palace as a diplomat so his status (and by extension) that of his wife is not therefore covered by diplomatic immunity. If this is the case, Britain should be putting pressure on the US to get the wife to 'voluntarily surrender' or threaten to make the process much more public and messy. I am sure there are plenty of laywers in the US who would love to take the case if the Government provides this information.
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Diplomatic immunity is almost a red herring in this case. There is absolutely no reason why the woman couldnt do the right thing and co-operate with the police and at the very least if she is immune to prosecution, speak to the parents.

Theres no excuse, running away and hiding and leaving the parents in pain with no explanation of what happened or any sort of apology or justice or closure. Imagine your son's potential killer living in comfort in a foreign country, with no possibility of justice, as authorities just shrug their shoulders and say theres nothing they can do. Absolute craven cowardice.
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Because Diplomats are not immigrants, they are representatives of their host countries. If it doesn't exist they can become targets and pawns.

Moreover would you wish the wife of a British diplomat stationed in Jeddah to be imprisoned and whipped for disobeying her husband and therefore breaking Saudi Law?

Diplomatic immunity is absolutely sensible. However this appears to be an abuse of the system and it certainly isn't singular in its occurence
Nail on head.

There should be a system in place through the United nations or such, where a country can submit evidence of criminal action and it is determined if its a clear cut case of breaking a universally acknowledged law and should be punished.

I accept that may be difficult to get concensus on what laws are covered but clearly there is a big difference between killing someone through dangerous driving and a woman showing her face in public.
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It was reported (in the sub-Standard so not sure how trustworthy) that the husband was never registered with St James' Palace as a diplomat so his status (and by extension) that of his wife is not therefore covered by diplomatic immunity.
I’d have thought paragraph 1 of Article 39 has that covered.
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Because Diplomats are not immigrants, they are representatives of their host countries. If it doesn't exist they can become targets and pawns.

Moreover would you wish the wife of a British diplomat stationed in Jeddah to be imprisoned and whipped for disobeying her husband and therefore breaking Saudi Law?

Diplomatic immunity is absolutely sensible. However this appears to be an abuse of the system and it certainly isn't singular in its occurence
He's not a diplomat, and doesn't have diplomatic status or immunity.

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I think the reason the US is doubling down on this is that her husband is a spook and privy to certain secrets he might share with his wife so they're loath to surrender her to a foreign government even a friendly one. If her husband was just some pen pusher at their embassy Trump would have thrown her under the bus to make Johnson look good.
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Nothing new but a really sad way to demonstrate the power balance between the US and UK.

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Because Diplomats are not immigrants, they are representatives of their host countries. If it doesn't exist they can become targets and pawns.

Moreover would you wish the wife of a British diplomat stationed in Jeddah to be imprisoned and whipped for disobeying her husband and therefore breaking Saudi Law?

Diplomatic immunity is absolutely sensible. However this appears to be an abuse of the system and it certainly isn't singular in its occurence
A huge grey area there though. At what point does it become abuse of the system?
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Cant we send someone with diplomatic immunity to go round her house and kick her teeth in ?
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Cant we send someone with diplomatic immunity to go round her house and kick her teeth in ?
Thats how wars are started
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