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Old 12-10-2019, 06:51 PM
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You could say that about any murderer.

If you lost a love one this way I imagine you dont just forget about it, you want justice.
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The police have CCTV footage of her turning out of the military base onto the wrong side of the road shortly before the crash. She had her children in the car with her so the whole thing must be destroying her. No excuse for fleeing but she'll be in a very bad place. Hopefully she'll realise she can do some good for the parents AND herself by returning to the UK and facing the family.
It should be destroying her....she’s killed someone!

Fleeing won’t help with that emotion. Probably making it worse in the long run.
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Old 12-10-2019, 06:59 PM
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The police have CCTV footage of her turning out of the military base onto the wrong side of the road shortly before the crash. She had her children in the car with her so the whole thing must be destroying her. No excuse for fleeing but she'll be in a very bad place. Hopefully she'll realise she can do some good for the parents AND herself by returning to the UK and facing the family.
I have zero sympathy, ‘kids in the car’ or not (why does this make a difference?) She has been a coward and dodged responsibility especially from someone who is of an elevated position. My sympathy lies with the victims parents.
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My sympathy lies with the victims parents as well but we do not know if she was told to leave,from what I have read she was at first cooperating then left.

Personally having driven on the wrong side a couple of times here in Canada myself when I first arrived here I could have been in the same position....Its careless driving at most,no drink,nothing criminal so I do not understand why she fled to be honest.

She has got more headlines through this than she ever would have if she stayed.
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My sympathy lies with the victims parents as well but we do not know if she was told to leave,from what I have read she was at first cooperating then left.

Personally having driven on the wrong side a couple of times here in Canada myself when I first arrived here I could have been in the same position....Its careless driving at most,no drink,nothing criminal so I do not understand why she fled to be honest.

She has got more headlines through this than she ever would have if she stayed.
That sounds like a lot of speculation none of which was certain.

If it was a genuine mistake (likely), the only honourable course is to remain in the UK and comply.

By leaving, it suggests to me a weakness of moral character whichever way you evaluate why she may have left.

The quotes from her lawyer smack of damage limitation.

Since she's unlikely to face and investigation and/or justice, I hope she actually is burnt up with guilt and is maligned on the way she deserves.
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Old 12-10-2019, 11:22 PM
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Old 12-10-2019, 11:23 PM
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After reading a bit more about this, I understand she did not flee the scene of the accident but was interviewed by the police at the time. She was advised not to leave the country by a senior police official, which she has now obviously done.

I have no concept of how the parents of the boy killed must be feeling, but something inside of me is asking what are they trying to gain by pursuing this, talking to ministers in The UK and going to The US to talk to officials there?

I appreciate we are all different and I personally have never lost a loved one because of a horrible accident (which this was), but this pursuit seems counter to bring closure. Is the woman apologizing face to face going to satisfy the family? I fear they are looking for more... whatever that is I don't know.
I think probably justice at a rough guess.

You say in an earlier post that the "worst" she is guilty of is manslaughter with mitigating circumstances and is unlikely to be fined or imprisoned.
Manslaughter is pretty bad and carries a maximum life sentence. She is more likely guilty of causing death by dangerous driving which often carries a prison sentence, as it should!

You talk as if there was nothing she could have done and call it a horrible accident but you have no idea what happened or how - if she was on the worng side of the road then it wasn't an accident - it was her fault and she killed someone. If you drive a dangerous weapon (a car) without due care or perhaps while distracted on a mobile then it is a crime and like any other crime you should face the courts who will decide on the appropriate punishment.
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Old 12-10-2019, 11:36 PM
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I certainly wouldn't forget about it, nor implying these parents should (probably badly written post by me earlier today).

I guess the point I'm trying to make is what constitutes justice in this case? Yes there was driving with undue care and attention on the woman's part with horrible consequences. But what if she was a UK resident and no country to run off to, what would the punishment be? Would they face prison time? I doubt it. Would there be a trail... I don't know. Probably at most an inquest where the woman would be required to attend, and that could still happen - she was not arrested or charged at the time of the accident from what I can see.

The woman was wrong to leave the country when advised not to, and this is her downfall. In hindsight maybe they should have held her passport (can they do that to a non-citizen?).
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Would she face prison time - quite possibly - of those convicted of causing death by dangerous driving 94% were sent to prison last year and even for causing death by careless driving 26% were imprisoned for an average of 12 months.

Would she face a trial - very likely - see above

She was not arrested or charged at the time - true but presumably claimed diplomatic immunity so that meant nothing

Can they hold her passport-not sure but obviously not if she claimed diplomatic immunity
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That was awful. I was 11 at the time and to see the graphic images on the TV of a woman of similar age to your mum, dying on a London street was quite disconcerting.
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That was awful. I was 11 at the time and to see the graphic images on the TV of a woman of similar age to your mum, dying on a London street was quite disconcerting.
Also, I can't imagine how her colleagues felt as they later watched her killer(s) walk out of the Embassy with the gun in a diplomatic bag & onto a fight to Tehran.
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If you are involved in the crash, you never forget it, never. Its not just the family.
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Also, I can't imagine how her colleagues felt as they later watched her killer(s) walk out of the Embassy with the gun in a diplomatic bag & onto a fight to Tehran.
Tripoli, rather than Tehran, presumably?
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The parents must be devastated. They also deserve answers.

However I don't think anyone is suggesting this is anything other than a horrible accident, one that will have affected everyone involved.

As Les points out driving on the wrong side of the road is so easy to do, basically humans are fallible and cars are fatally dangerous.
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Tripoli, rather than Tehran, presumably?
Absolutely, thanks for the correction. I was getting mixed up with the Iranian embassy siege a few years earlier
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A court case would determine the facts, but it won't bring the boy back. I haven't read Wilkinson but I imagine the charge would be careless driving and likely end in a fine and driving ban.

If however she was on her mobile and/or speeding then that would be different. Again a court case would determine this.
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