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F*ck me, you must speak a foreign language north of Watford.
Well there is that.

But Iím sure if you read my post again it will become clear ....

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I wish youíd read posts. I said they either need charisma and offer hope, even if itís false hope, or their politics need to offer inspiration and hope. I think Atlee did well on the second. Starmer offers neither, in both respects heís dull as dishwasher.

Miliband and Brown both lost badly. Centrism isnít some magic wand. And given Iím a socialist Iím hardly going to agree with those ideas. The sad thing is that this pandemic might well give an opening to left ideas just as corbyn and Sanders got beaten by centrist politics.
It could be fools hope, but Starmer this far hasn't look to castigate his predecessor.

Nor radically change the ambitious manifesto.

I think the expensive and fanciful ideas, such as free broadband will be ditched, but the popular nationalisation of the rail industry and other utilities will be kept.

I don't expect a radical centrist overhaul just yet, instead a civil workmanlike approach with Boris, a strong push to engage with the Jewish community and a pledge to spend every spare penny on the NHS and certainly a pay increase for key workers
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How could it read like anything else? Of course he was agreeing with you...

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This is for CR. It is a post in my FB group:

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A passionate plea.

No matter where you are personally in the Labour movement, your own personal beliefs can remain rock solid and set intrinsically in stone.

Completely not politically correct but where I am as a disabled man with three life long conditions and have been for the last decade is just slightly left of the NKVD. That's the result of the Tories so far making three attempts on my life and soon the fourth.

But.

I can shake hands and unite with a Corbynista, a Blairite, centrists and any of the heaps of moderate Middle Britons inbetween.

That's what Labour is and needs to be. Anyone who's not a Paid up Member of the Conservative and unionist party of Great Britain should be welcome.

If you cannot see or indeed accept that you are the problem and your head needs a wobble.

Just 30 years out of 120 Labour have held office for.

It's pathetic it's pitiful it's bordering on criminal woeful neglect that we allow our differences to openly divide us and constantly give our heinous evil enemies all the ammunition they need to not just expose our weaknesses but allow them to be exploited that office is not achieved.

We must always hold dear all the labour membership is, is the HEART of the people. The core of the nation who can see slightly earlier than others what the Tories really are.

It's up to us to be passionately articulate and talk such simple plain sense that it presents our politics in such a beautifully simple way it draws all to them.

This means the constant what ifs and evaluations of how of we got to where we are now must cease, for if they don't you've failed to grasp any of the above.

Starmer is the duly elected leader now. He is the Leader of the opposition. His job and ours is to oppose all that the Tories do that;

A) Harms the People and Nation.

B) Lines already fat Tory Pockets.

Finnaly my Political family know this.

The Conservative and Unionist party of Great Britain is the most successful political party on the planet. You are all aware this is partly facilitated by an insidious far right press that's owned by tax evading billionaires and the manipulation of Social Media and spending of vast amounts of cash.

The evidence is clear and is there for anyone to see that Labour ONLY EVER gets elected for ONE of Three REASONS.

1) The Tories have catastrophically cocked up and been exposed for the putrid filth they are.

2) A massively significant Historical event has occured.

3) Someone very special is elected to Lead the Labour Party.

Starmer could be if we unite behind him and his appointed Cabinet that someone special.

The Tories have just scored TWO catastrophic cock ups.

1) Every Covid-19 death is on them! Every single one they own. They refused to act early prioritising the economy before the public health.

2) That inaction then meant when the Tories did finally act they had to Tank the economy for the next Century.

So all the deaths and all this debt is theirs and theirs alone. They can never ever claim to be fiscally astute ever again.

Naturally the State of the NHS after a decade plus of Tory austerity and what it's wonderful staff are enduring on our behalf must respectfully be used as the tip of the spear.

If Starmer isnt elected of the back of that, what will be the reason? Did he foul up or did the Labour Party fail to knuckle down and do what it had to do?

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Do you ever post a comment that isn't a piece of shit?
Have a think before you post such a hilarious lack of self awareness again you total div.
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Ooh ooh ooh, pick me pick me pick me

I think I know the answer to this one .....

Is it .....

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shadow cabinet seems an interesting mix.
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This is for CR. It is a post in my FB group:

"Robert Fraser
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A passionate plea.

No matter where you are personally in the Labour movement, your own personal beliefs can remain rock solid and set intrinsically in stone.

Completely not politically correct but where I am as a disabled man with three life long conditions and have been for the last decade is just slightly left of the NKVD. That's the result of the Tories so far making three attempts on my life and soon the fourth.

But.

I can shake hands and unite with a Corbynista, a Blairite, centrists and any of the heaps of moderate Middle Britons inbetween.

That's what Labour is and needs to be. Anyone who's not a Paid up Member of the Conservative and unionist party of Great Britain should be welcome.

If you cannot see or indeed accept that you are the problem and your head needs a wobble.

Just 30 years out of 120 Labour have held office for.

It's pathetic it's pitiful it's bordering on criminal woeful neglect that we allow our differences to openly divide us and constantly give our heinous evil enemies all the ammunition they need to not just expose our weaknesses but allow them to be exploited that office is not achieved.

We must always hold dear all the labour membership is, is the HEART of the people. The core of the nation who can see slightly earlier than others what the Tories really are.

It's up to us to be passionately articulate and talk such simple plain sense that it presents our politics in such a beautifully simple way it draws all to them.

This means the constant what ifs and evaluations of how of we got to where we are now must cease, for if they don't you've failed to grasp any of the above.

Starmer is the duly elected leader now. He is the Leader of the opposition. His job and ours is to oppose all that the Tories do that;

A) Harms the People and Nation.

B) Lines already fat Tory Pockets.

Finnaly my Political family know this.

The Conservative and Unionist party of Great Britain is the most successful political party on the planet. You are all aware this is partly facilitated by an insidious far right press that's owned by tax evading billionaires and the manipulation of Social Media and spending of vast amounts of cash.

The evidence is clear and is there for anyone to see that Labour ONLY EVER gets elected for ONE of Three REASONS.

1) The Tories have catastrophically cocked up and been exposed for the putrid filth they are.

2) A massively significant Historical event has occured.

3) Someone very special is elected to Lead the Labour Party.

Starmer could be if we unite behind him and his appointed Cabinet that someone special.

The Tories have just scored TWO catastrophic cock ups.

1) Every Covid-19 death is on them! Every single one they own. They refused to act early prioritising the economy before the public health.

2) That inaction then meant when the Tories did finally act they had to Tank the economy for the next Century.

So all the deaths and all this debt is theirs and theirs alone. They can never ever claim to be fiscally astute ever again.

Naturally the State of the NHS after a decade plus of Tory austerity and what it's wonderful staff are enduring on our behalf must respectfully be used as the tip of the spear.

If Starmer isnt elected of the back of that, what will be the reason? Did he foul up or did the Labour Party fail to knuckle down and do what it had to do?

UNITE."
That's more what I want to hear. A huge improvement on "**** off because you supported Corbyn."
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With Kier Starmer at the helm it makes Labour a party that will take a very different approach and will appeal to the moderate voters again, very different to the previous "rebel with a destructive cause" leader.
The Country always needs a good oppossition to challenge policies and make the goverment answerable, but in a fair and sensible manner and i feel KS will do that as we have seen he has already made a start with statements requesting a response from the goverment over this crisis. But in all honesty even with Starmer as leader i just dont see Labour gaining power for at least another 10 years, unless the goverment cock up big time not just with the recovery of this disastrous current situation, but also with the exit from the EU, lets not pretend Brexit will not have a massive effect on our Economy in the years that follow whether we like to admit it or not.
Just to say i am Not a Labour voter and have always been a Tory voter, however if the Tories fail to deliver then i would not hesitate to vote Labour if their policies is right for the Country as a whole.
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"Robert Fraser
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A passionate plea.

No matter where you are personally in the Labour movement, your own personal beliefs can remain rock solid and set intrinsically in stone.

Completely not politically correct but where I am as a disabled man with three life long conditions and have been for the last decade is just slightly left of the NKVD. That's the result of the Tories so far making three attempts on my life and soon the fourth.

But.

I can shake hands and unite with a Corbynista, a Blairite, centrists and any of the heaps of moderate Middle Britons inbetween.

That's what Labour is and needs to be. Anyone who's not a Paid up Member of the Conservative and unionist party of Great Britain should be welcome.

If you cannot see or indeed accept that you are the problem and your head needs a wobble.

Just 30 years out of 120 Labour have held office for.

It's pathetic it's pitiful it's bordering on criminal woeful neglect that we allow our differences to openly divide us and constantly give our heinous evil enemies all the ammunition they need to not just expose our weaknesses but allow them to be exploited that office is not achieved.

We must always hold dear all the labour membership is, is the HEART of the people. The core of the nation who can see slightly earlier than others what the Tories really are.

It's up to us to be passionately articulate and talk such simple plain sense that it presents our politics in such a beautifully simple way it draws all to them.

This means the constant what ifs and evaluations of how of we got to where we are now must cease, for if they don't you've failed to grasp any of the above.

Starmer is the duly elected leader now. He is the Leader of the opposition. His job and ours is to oppose all that the Tories do that;

A) Harms the People and Nation.

B) Lines already fat Tory Pockets.

Finnaly my Political family know this.

The Conservative and Unionist party of Great Britain is the most successful political party on the planet. You are all aware this is partly facilitated by an insidious far right press that's owned by tax evading billionaires and the manipulation of Social Media and spending of vast amounts of cash.

The evidence is clear and is there for anyone to see that Labour ONLY EVER gets elected for ONE of Three REASONS.

1) The Tories have catastrophically cocked up and been exposed for the putrid filth they are.

2) A massively significant Historical event has occured.

3) Someone very special is elected to Lead the Labour Party.

Starmer could be if we unite behind him and his appointed Cabinet that someone special.

The Tories have just scored TWO catastrophic cock ups.

1) Every Covid-19 death is on them! Every single one they own. They refused to act early prioritising the economy before the public health.

2) That inaction then meant when the Tories did finally act they had to Tank the economy for the next Century.

So all the deaths and all this debt is theirs and theirs alone. They can never ever claim to be fiscally astute ever again.

Naturally the State of the NHS after a decade plus of Tory austerity and what it's wonderful staff are enduring on our behalf must respectfully be used as the tip of the spear.

If Starmer isnt elected of the back of that, what will be the reason? Did he foul up or did the Labour Party fail to knuckle down and do what it had to do?

UNITE."
I hate some of the preconceptions in this. The NHS has had more and more ploughed into it than ever before actually at a higher rate than under labour. The problem is age and population along with obesity. The economic situation to try and make it work WAS a failure but at least they tried and based this around advice given by the medical profession.

That said I have great hope for Keir Starmer. He WILL be getting my vote and support as we need a more social government. If that is higher taxes, less iphones or whatever, we are going to have to change and its a Labour Government that will be best placed to do this, in my opinion. So for all the hammer and sickle lot please get behind him to get rid of this bunch.
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I hate some of the preconceptions in this. The NHS has had more and more ploughed into it than ever before actually at a higher rate than under labour. The problem is age and population along with obesity. The economic situation to try and make it work WAS a failure but at least they tried and based this around advice given by the medical profession.
You are speaking Tory cabinet minister speak.

The Tories, like you have just done, are always quick to point out funding of the NHS in terms of "record levels", and "more than Labour", and "more than ever before", but you never hear the term "adequate funding" ever used, and that is what really matters.

As for your comment re age and population, anyone would think that nobody knew about the sixties boomer years. Anyone would think that the government over the past ten years, never had any projections of age and additional demand on the NHS. We know the Tories have a problem with planning, and we know that they would rather be reactive than pro-active, relying on short term policies to appease the bigotry and downright ignorance in our country, with the sole aim of winning the next election.

CV19 has starkly revealed all of this in just a few weeks, and if the people in this country don't wake up to this fact soon, then they deserve everything they get.
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No wonder that you are so deluded if this is a representative example of the sort of echo chambers you inhabit.
The point of this post was to give an example of the need for Labour members and supporters to unite, and aimed at CR, not a right wing Tory sycophant, like you.

Others can judge whether the last ten years of Tory government has been good for them or not, in a myriad of ways, and they can decide then what is "drivel" or otherwise.
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