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Old 23-10-2021, 11:52 AM
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Not to mention the vast majority of contact with NHS services, well over 90% are with GPs, Dentists and pharmacies which are all private businesses. The public is generally misguided regarding privatisation of the NHS. Not to mention the amount of NHS care carried out in private hospitals as well.
As a matter of interest with GP surgeries how do pensions work. Are staff in NHS schemes or in private funds?
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Old 23-10-2021, 12:13 PM
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As a matter of interest with GP surgeries how do pensions work. Are staff in NHS schemes or in private funds?
NHS as any company with an NHS contract has access to the NHS pension scheme.
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Old 23-10-2021, 01:01 PM
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As a matter of interest with GP surgeries how do pensions work. Are staff in NHS schemes or in private funds?
They used to have a different section though (career average rather than FS).
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Old 23-10-2021, 02:21 PM
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Can someone explain the notion of GP’s woke-ing from home? Not quite sure I understand the issue.

GP’s are as susceptible to the virus as everyone else, and I’d magi be their risk vector is increased due to the nature of their work. So managing that risk in order to provide a service seems sensible to me?

Our local surgery has a phone triage system where the decide if you need a phone call, a video call or in-person consultation. It seems to work quite well because I’m now able to get an appointment within hours as opposed to days. My wife has been to the surgery in person when it has been necessary.

There may be an issue where digitally excluded citizens are ‘missed’ but there must be something in place to catch those groups (ie in person by default for over 65’s).

Just trying to understand the complaints as in all honesty it seems driven by right wing newspapers again.
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Can someone explain the notion of GP’s woke-ing from home? Not quite sure I understand the issue.

GP’s are as susceptible to the virus as everyone else, and I’d magi be their risk vector is increased due to the nature of their work. So managing that risk in order to provide a service seems sensible to me?

Our local surgery has a phone triage system where the decide if you need a phone call, a video call or in-person consultation. It seems to work quite well because I’m now able to get an appointment within hours as opposed to days. My wife has been to the surgery in person when it has been necessary.

There may be an issue where digitally excluded citizens are ‘missed’ but there must be something in place to catch those groups (ie in person by default for over 65’s).

Just trying to understand the complaints as in all honesty it seems driven by right wing newspapers again.
It’s PC gone maaaaaddddddd! Etc
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Peak flow. They have to do an asthma plan this year which requires them. Interestingly it also includes figures that can only really be done by regular testing at home so wondering if we might see people having them at home soon.
I have one at home, given to me by a GP years ago. You could ask for one and monitor yourself (tbh I don't use it much unless I get a bad chest infection/ bronchitis)
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I know it doesn't suit the agenda, but privatisation of the NHS under the Tories has been way less than labour. The biggest changes were in the mid 2000s under Tony Blair. Before then, the private hospitals (and other private companies) had virtually no involvement in NHS clinical provision. Since 2010 the changes have been minor in comparison. The industry view is that labour are more likely to 'get away with it' with the general public than the Tories. That's not to say that the Tories wouldn't accelerate it if it became politically acceptable.
There is a difference between privatising bits off for greater efficiency (cleaning contracts being a good example) and chronic underfunding, to the point of gradual starvation.

Don't forget that the previous Labour government, reduced waiting times across a multiple of areas to the best levels in the history of the NHS, including most surgeries and A&E, actively saving lives, we were going in the wrong direction, well before Covid.

Chronic Conservative underfunding isn't a recent phenomenon. Having worked in the NHS in the early 80's it was clear that Thatcher had a similar viewpoint re privatisation and subsequent underfunding.
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Step 1. Damage the NHS through funding and changes
Step 2. Say it doesn't work
Step 3. Push for privatisation

Dark days indeed, just what you vote for.
You've also missed out step 1.5 demoralise existing staff and blame the participants through misinformation for some of the issues.

i.e. GP's are perceived by many as lazy, don't work long hours, want weekends off, don't wish to see clients face to face.

Nurses currently perceived as angels but just wait until they wait for industrial action.
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