Coronavirus

[dave_who_ru]

Just received a letter for my 94 year old mother-in-law who passed away at the start of the year. Informs her that she can book a test online or phone 119. Given she was housebound it basically says if you are unable to travel your local NHS services will be in contact with you.

Meanwhile my local surgery rang someone I know in cohort 4 for a vaccination tomorrow just up the road.

[Worksop Palace]

Originally Posted by dave_who_ru

Just received a letter for my 94 year old mother-in-law who passed away at the start of the year. Informs her that she can book a test online or phone 119. Given she was housebound it basically says if you are unable to travel your local NHS services will be in contact with you.

Meanwhile my local surgery rang someone I know in cohort 4 for a vaccination tomorrow just up the road.

Fvck sake that really is basic stuff. Not good

[Paulinmorden]

Originally Posted by bubbs11

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The UK is "taking steps" to keep out cases of a coronavirus variant discovered in Brazil, the prime minister has said.

As of when I left work at about 3.00pm no we weren't. Same as we're not keeping out the South African variant.

[Hazbaz]

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace

All very sad obviously.

All hospitals are not full. People are not just randomly and regularly being ‘sent home to die’.

The reason I quoted the Guardian’s sensationalist headlines every year about the NHS was because there was a fair amount of sensationalism in your post and it felt rather similar

Hospitals are on their knees.

Last lockdown hospitals were under pressure this time it is MUCH worse.
Last time the care homes and community/home care were ok. This time it has now hit the community services. Care home staffing is critical and if the care homes collapse and there are not hospital beds as a fall back (which there aren’t) what do we do to keep people safe.

We are bracing ourselves in case home care services become critical, providers are under pressure and we would have to consider : can we get families to take over care, do people need to be washed everyday or could that be reduced to alternate days, is the visit essential or could it be stopped, can we do 2 instead of 3 calls per day. If home care providers can’t deliver the care, usually people would revert to care homes as a safety net, that is not possible this time in the same way that going from care home to hospital is off the table.

I can’t even begin to tell you how upset I get when I see people report that hospital areas are quiet, of course some areas are quiet, elective services and non critical services are not currently in operation so there are going to be some areas that are closed because the focus is on critical care.

[Worksop Palace]

Originally Posted by Hazbaz

Hospitals are on their knees.

Last lockdown hospitals were under pressure this time it is MUCH worse.
Last time the care homes and community/home care were ok. This time it has now hit the community services. Care home staffing is critical and if the care homes collapse and there are not hospital beds as a fall back (which there aren’t) what do we do to keep people safe.

We are bracing ourselves in case home care services become critical, providers are under pressure and we would have to consider : can we get families to take over care, do people need to be washed everyday or could that be reduced to alternate days, is the visit essential or could it be stopped, can we do 2 instead of 3 calls per day. If home care providers can’t deliver the care, usually people would revert to care homes as a safety net, that is not possible this time in the same way that going from care home to hospital is off the table.

I can’t even begin to tell you how upset I get when I see people report that hospital areas are quiet, of course some areas are quiet, elective services and non critical services are not currently in operation so there are going to be some areas that are closed because the focus is on critical care.

I haven’t for one minute suggested the vast majority of hospitals are quiet. I was just contending that all hospitals are full. They’re not.

[Blind_Eagle]

Originally Posted by dave_who_ru

Just received a letter for my 94 year old mother-in-law who passed away at the start of the year. Informs her that she can book a test online or phone 119. Given she was housebound it basically says if you are unable to travel your local NHS services will be in contact with you.

Via a medium in your poor mother in law’s case?

[Vendy]

Originally Posted by Stellavista

We haven't been able to get any slots at all, despite my extremely clinically vulnerable letter.

Most of them release slots just after midnight

[orp pisshead1]

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace

I’m sure you’re not doing it intentionally.

To back Hpalace up a little bit pru is heaving and as of yesterday every ward has covid on it. Source is someone who’s 100% ITK .

[orp pisshead1]

Obviously only talking about the Pru not all hospitals.

[Baffled Bob 2]

Originally Posted by Hazbaz

Hospitals are on their knees.

Last lockdown hospitals were under pressure this time it is MUCH worse.
Last time the care homes and community/home care were ok. This time it has now hit the community services. Care home staffing is critical and if the care homes collapse and there are not hospital beds as a fall back (which there aren’t) what do we do to keep people safe.

We are bracing ourselves in case home care services become critical, providers are under pressure and we would have to consider : can we get families to take over care, do people need to be washed everyday or could that be reduced to alternate days, is the visit essential or could it be stopped, can we do 2 instead of 3 calls per day. If home care providers can’t deliver the care, usually people would revert to care homes as a safety net, that is not possible this time in the same way that going from care home to hospital is off the table.

I can’t even begin to tell you how upset I get when I see people report that hospital areas are quiet, of course some areas are quiet, elective services and non critical services are not currently in operation so there are going to be some areas that are closed because the focus is on critical care.

Christ mate. Reading this really brings it home. Thanks so much for taking the time to post. We are genuinely grateful for the work you and your colleagues are doing.

Wish I could write something a bit reassuring. But I've got nothing.

[Hazbaz]

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace

I haven’t for one minute suggested the vast majority of hospitals are quiet. I was just contending that all hospitals are full. They’re not.

No I’m sorry I realise that’s not what you said, it’s just that not being full doesn’t mean that they aren’t the edge. Normally in ITU the ratio of patients to nurse is 1:1 now I know of multiple hospitals where that is 4:1. Just because you have space doesn’t mean you have capacity

[Worksop Palace]

Originally Posted by Hazbaz

No I’m sorry I realise that’s not what you said, it’s just that not being full doesn’t mean that they aren’t the edge. Normally in ITU the ratio of patients to nurse is 1:1 now I know of multiple hospitals where that is 4:1. Just because you have space doesn’t mean you have capacity

I get that, I’m not disagreeing with you mate

[dave_who_ru]

Originally Posted by Blind_Eagle

Via a medium in your poor mother in law’s case?

Yep

Re-reading the letter I'm surprised that it doesn't ask the recipient to ring a number if they are housebound and unable to travel any distance.

Just wondering how long it will take for the local NHS services to follow this up although as I registered with the 'Tell Us Once' service today maybe I will never find out.

Also very annoyed that her doctor's surgery has never been in touch with her since the initial lockdown just to check how she is coping.

[Worksop Palace]

Originally Posted by orp pisshead1

To back Hpalace up a little bit pru is heaving and as of yesterday every ward has covid on it. Source is someone who’s 100% ITK .

Absolutely

I know a large hospital 10 miles or so from us is full to capacity and more. Our local hospital, which is still a fair size, is fairly quiet for this time of year by all accounts.

[Stellavista]

Originally Posted by Vendy

Most of them release slots just after midnight

Didn't know that. Will try tonight. Thank you.

[palacemetros]

Originally Posted by Hpalace

No they were not forced home but let’s say the same hospital were economical with the truth and the family were horrified at the condition of their parent they were delivered and expected to look after.

The same hospital did the same to a care home for someone close to me a few years ago (before covid). The care home were like wtf?

Sadly they aren't the first and won't be the last. Everyone has a different experience of NHS and I wouldn't want to criticise anything being done at present. Nonetheless, my experience was not during a pandemic and was in late spring, hardly a time of year when they are flat out. I wasn't impressed and we'll leave it there.

[eagle mart]

Originally Posted by Stellavista

Why do you think that? They've attempted to send my mother-in-law home twice after testing positive.

After ten days. No matter your state you are no longer shedding virus in any reasonable load. The virus is done and you are left with the mess it's left behind. The positive cases are shedding most virus just before and after symptoms develop.

[HOVE EAGLE]

Originally Posted by Hazbaz

No I’m sorry I realise that’s not what you said, it’s just that not being full doesn’t mean that they aren’t the edge. Normally in ITU the ratio of patients to nurse is 1:1 now I know of multiple hospitals where that is 4:1. Just because you have space doesn’t mean you have capacity

That's serious .clearly not enough trained staff

[orp pisshead1]

Originally Posted by Worksop Palace

Absolutely

I know a large hospital 10 miles or so from us is full to capacity and more. Our local hospital, which is still a fair size, is fairly quiet for this time of year by all accounts.

Strange isn’t it , probably a postcode thing .
Ain't gonna lie the way the pru treated my late dad twice! I detest that place .

[orp pisshead1]

Originally Posted by HOVE EAGLE

That's serious .clearly not enough trained staff

Well there is but they’re back in Europe now