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Old 13-01-2021, 08:14 PM
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Just received a letter for my 94 year old mother-in-law who passed away at the start of the year. Informs her that she can book a test online or phone 119. Given she was housebound it basically says if you are unable to travel your local NHS services will be in contact with you.

Meanwhile my local surgery rang someone I know in cohort 4 for a vaccination tomorrow just up the road.
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Old 13-01-2021, 08:17 PM
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Just received a letter for my 94 year old mother-in-law who passed away at the start of the year. Informs her that she can book a test online or phone 119. Given she was housebound it basically says if you are unable to travel your local NHS services will be in contact with you.

Meanwhile my local surgery rang someone I know in cohort 4 for a vaccination tomorrow just up the road.
Fvck sake that really is basic stuff. Not good
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All very sad obviously.

All hospitals are not full. People are not just randomly and regularly being Ďsent home to dieí.

The reason I quoted the Guardianís sensationalist headlines every year about the NHS was because there was a fair amount of sensationalism in your post and it felt rather similar
Hospitals are on their knees.

Last lockdown hospitals were under pressure this time it is MUCH worse.
Last time the care homes and community/home care were ok. This time it has now hit the community services. Care home staffing is critical and if the care homes collapse and there are not hospital beds as a fall back (which there arenít) what do we do to keep people safe.

We are bracing ourselves in case home care services become critical, providers are under pressure and we would have to consider : can we get families to take over care, do people need to be washed everyday or could that be reduced to alternate days, is the visit essential or could it be stopped, can we do 2 instead of 3 calls per day. If home care providers canít deliver the care, usually people would revert to care homes as a safety net, that is not possible this time in the same way that going from care home to hospital is off the table.

I canít even begin to tell you how upset I get when I see people report that hospital areas are quiet, of course some areas are quiet, elective services and non critical services are not currently in operation so there are going to be some areas that are closed because the focus is on critical care.
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Old 13-01-2021, 08:51 PM
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Hospitals are on their knees.

Last lockdown hospitals were under pressure this time it is MUCH worse.
Last time the care homes and community/home care were ok. This time it has now hit the community services. Care home staffing is critical and if the care homes collapse and there are not hospital beds as a fall back (which there aren’t) what do we do to keep people safe.

We are bracing ourselves in case home care services become critical, providers are under pressure and we would have to consider : can we get families to take over care, do people need to be washed everyday or could that be reduced to alternate days, is the visit essential or could it be stopped, can we do 2 instead of 3 calls per day. If home care providers can’t deliver the care, usually people would revert to care homes as a safety net, that is not possible this time in the same way that going from care home to hospital is off the table.

I can’t even begin to tell you how upset I get when I see people report that hospital areas are quiet, of course some areas are quiet, elective services and non critical services are not currently in operation so there are going to be some areas that are closed because the focus is on critical care.
I haven’t for one minute suggested the vast majority of hospitals are quiet. I was just contending that all hospitals are full. They’re not.
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Just received a letter for my 94 year old mother-in-law who passed away at the start of the year. Informs her that she can book a test online or phone 119. Given she was housebound it basically says if you are unable to travel your local NHS services will be in contact with you.
Via a medium in your poor mother in lawís case?
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Iím sure youíre not doing it intentionally.
To back Hpalace up a little bit pru is heaving and as of yesterday every ward has covid on it. Source is someone whoís 100% ITK .
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Hospitals are on their knees.

Last lockdown hospitals were under pressure this time it is MUCH worse.
Last time the care homes and community/home care were ok. This time it has now hit the community services. Care home staffing is critical and if the care homes collapse and there are not hospital beds as a fall back (which there arenít) what do we do to keep people safe.

We are bracing ourselves in case home care services become critical, providers are under pressure and we would have to consider : can we get families to take over care, do people need to be washed everyday or could that be reduced to alternate days, is the visit essential or could it be stopped, can we do 2 instead of 3 calls per day. If home care providers canít deliver the care, usually people would revert to care homes as a safety net, that is not possible this time in the same way that going from care home to hospital is off the table.

I canít even begin to tell you how upset I get when I see people report that hospital areas are quiet, of course some areas are quiet, elective services and non critical services are not currently in operation so there are going to be some areas that are closed because the focus is on critical care.
Christ mate. Reading this really brings it home. Thanks so much for taking the time to post. We are genuinely grateful for the work you and your colleagues are doing.

Wish I could write something a bit reassuring. But I've got nothing.
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I havenít for one minute suggested the vast majority of hospitals are quiet. I was just contending that all hospitals are full. Theyíre not.
No Iím sorry I realise thatís not what you said, itís just that not being full doesnít mean that they arenít the edge. Normally in ITU the ratio of patients to nurse is 1:1 now I know of multiple hospitals where that is 4:1. Just because you have space doesnít mean you have capacity
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No Iím sorry I realise thatís not what you said, itís just that not being full doesnít mean that they arenít the edge. Normally in ITU the ratio of patients to nurse is 1:1 now I know of multiple hospitals where that is 4:1. Just because you have space doesnít mean you have capacity
I get that, Iím not disagreeing with you mate
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Via a medium in your poor mother in law’s case?
Yep

Re-reading the letter I'm surprised that it doesn't ask the recipient to ring a number if they are housebound and unable to travel any distance.

Just wondering how long it will take for the local NHS services to follow this up although as I registered with the 'Tell Us Once' service today maybe I will never find out.

Also very annoyed that her doctor's surgery has never been in touch with her since the initial lockdown just to check how she is coping.
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I know a large hospital 10 miles or so from us is full to capacity and more. Our local hospital, which is still a fair size, is fairly quiet for this time of year by all accounts.
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Didn't know that. Will try tonight. Thank you.
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No they were not forced home but let’s say the same hospital were economical with the truth and the family were horrified at the condition of their parent they were delivered and expected to look after.

The same hospital did the same to a care home for someone close to me a few years ago (before covid). The care home were like wtf?
Sadly they aren't the first and won't be the last. Everyone has a different experience of NHS and I wouldn't want to criticise anything being done at present. Nonetheless, my experience was not during a pandemic and was in late spring, hardly a time of year when they are flat out. I wasn't impressed and we'll leave it there.
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Why do you think that? They've attempted to send my mother-in-law home twice after testing positive.
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No Iím sorry I realise thatís not what you said, itís just that not being full doesnít mean that they arenít the edge. Normally in ITU the ratio of patients to nurse is 1:1 now I know of multiple hospitals where that is 4:1. Just because you have space doesnít mean you have capacity
That's serious .clearly not enough trained staff
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Absolutely

I know a large hospital 10 miles or so from us is full to capacity and more. Our local hospital, which is still a fair size, is fairly quiet for this time of year by all accounts.
Strange isnít it , probably a postcode thing .
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