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Old 07-10-2006, 05:36 PM
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Stuart Downing - Disgraceful

What is this bloke doing anywhere near the England team? Never an International in a million years, his performance today was embarrassing. I have seen nothing in any of the games he's featured that suggest he has anything to offer at this level whatsoever. I can only assume it's the old pals act with McClaren that's getting him in?

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I agree

Same could be said of most of the England squad though
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He is 21/22 and fookin quality
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I dont think his bought anything to the England side
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Gary Neville missed a sitter
Ledley King is not Engalnd International quality
Downing is not England International quality
Carrick is not England International quality
Gerrard should be in the middle
Crouch is not England International quality
Defoe is not England International quality
Wright-Phillips has been ruined by Chelsea

That is 8 out of 14 not up to it in the position they played!
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Downing was awful but Rooney was worse, are you suggesting Rooney is not an international player.
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Gary Neville missed a sitter
Ledley King is not Engalnd International quality
Downing is not England International quality
Carrick is not England International quality
Gerrard should be in the middle
Crouch is not England International quality
Defoe is not England International quality
Wright-Phillips has been ruined by Chelsea

That is 8 out of 14 not up to it in the position they played!
Indeed, and of course the FA completely messed up by appointing Mclaren, how they overlooked the Great Gonzo I don't know.
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Downing was awful but Rooney was worse, are you suggesting Rooney is not an international player.
In his current form Rooney certainly isn't international class
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He is 21/22 and fookin quality
Sorry but that's rubbish. People slag Beckham for being a wide player who can't beat the last man but at least he can cross a ball and deliver a great free kick or pass. This bloke can't do any of that to anywhere near Beckham's standard. I agree there were several England players below par but at least most of those mentioned have turned in great performances in the past. Downing has shown nothing in half a dozen games to suggest he is anywhere near up to this level. He couldn't have had a better chance either, Andora, Greece, Macedonia?
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'International' quality isn't needed in these games to be fair. What the game needed was AJ's pace ahead of Rooney playing deeper. He is the only inform English forward in the Premiership, shame he got injured.
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Rooney was our worst player today, as he was at the World Cup
Best player........Crouch, as he was at the World Cup!
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Gary Neville missed a sitter
Ledley King is not Engalnd International quality
Downing is not England International quality
Carrick is not England International quality
Gerrard should be in the middle
Crouch is not England International quality
Defoe is not England International quality
Wright-Phillips has been ruined by Chelsea

That is 8 out of 14 not up to it in the position they played!
Agree with all of this apart from the Ledley King part. I rate him highly and think that he will be a top international player. As for Downing and Crouch. How poor was Crouch's header at the end!
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Agree with all of this apart from the Ledley King part. I rate him highly and think that he will be a top international player. As for Downing and Crouch. How poor was Crouch's header at the end!
Your opinion on Crouch and King is exactly the opposite of mine.
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This game was made for Andy Johnson to make his mark on the international scene
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Indeed, and of course the FA completely messed up by appointing Mclaren, how they overlooked the Great Gonzo I don't know.
Are you saying they are good enough? It may just be a damning assessment of the quality of player we are now developing in this country but for a country constantly in the worlds top 10 these players are not good enough.
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The irony of Crouch is, in comparison to his work on the deck, he's actually pretty poor in the air.

I maintain my viewpoint at HT that Michael Carrick was England's best player, certainly showed Lampard and Gerrard how to pass in central midfield for the most part.

Downing was poor, nowhere near as poor as Lampard mind.
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In his current form Rooney certainly isn't international class
Indeed he is out of form, but even today i thought he looked about the only player who could suddenly make something happen. Gerrard is wasted on the right and he showed what he can do centrally and Wright-Phillips looked lively but with no matches was way off.
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This game was made for Andy Johnson to make his mark on the international scene
Indeed, he could have done very well running onto flickons but there wasn't much space behind their back four as they defended quite deep
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The crux of the matter is that the team won't play well until McLaren has the balls to drop Lampard or Gerrard.

Wright-Phillips should then get a run at right-midfield and then Gerrard could play in the centre with a fit-again Hargreaves.

Left side remains a problem but Downing at least has a left foot. He needs a run of games to bed into the team.
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