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Not according to the two websites above.

ANYWAY... Venables should be sacked on the same grounds that Ron A was sacked. After all, making a derogatory statement about a race is rasict, isn't it?
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Why is it that we expect ex-footballers to be walking lexicons? Older pundits like Venables and Atkinson were hardly scholars and they spent more time learning about the offside rule than the vagaries of the English language. I think we're being a bit harsh here. They are steeped in football and that is what they are paid to talk about. So what if they cock it up now and again? I think people are over sensitive about things and are just sitting waiting to pounce on an innocent mistake. You might have had a point if Spurs had been playing. (By the way can I say cock?)
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Is Rosenborg's defendng a race?

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You might have had a point if Spurs had been playing.
Going by your reasoning, that football pundits don't have to think about what they say, why?
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LOL - are you joking? If that crook Venables doesn't know what the Holocaust is all about then God help us all.
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Going by your reasoning, that football pundits don't have to think about what they say, why?
Football pundits are not like politicians, newsreaders, TV presenters or anyone trained in the televisual art. They usually have to react to a request for a comment very quickly and they then tend to shoot from the lip and some mistakes are made.

Of course they think about the gist of what they are saying but are not necesarily articulate enough to put them forward without making an error. Venables used to play for a Jewish fan based club and I'm totally sure he meant no offence with what he said. I wonder if any other fans outside ours, who obvioulsy hate his guts would have even noticed.
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Football pundits ... ... even noticed.
My question was actually, why would it matter whether he was commenting on Spurs' (Jewish connections) defence, or Rosenborg's defence, if, as you assert, football pundits can afford to be careless with their words.

But in any case, whilst I'm also certain that there was no racial motivation behind Mr Venables' comments, it's a careless and inappropriate comment to make.
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Why is it that we expect ex-footballers to be walking lexicons? Older pundits like Venables and Atkinson were hardly scholars and they spent more time learning about the offside rule than the vagaries of the English language. I think we're being a bit harsh here. They are steeped in football and that is what they are paid to talk about. So what if they cock it up now and again? I think people are over sensitive about things and are just sitting waiting to pounce on an innocent mistake. You might have had a point if Spurs had been playing. (By the way can I say cock?)
I agree with what you say contrary to what I said earlier.

However, one doesn't use the 'holocaust' lightly, especially as a type of adjective. Terrible knew exactly what he was saying and probably thought he was being clever.
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Careless, yes I agree but all I was saying was that he was not necessarily deserving of the vitriol thrown his way in previous posts. Most of the comments made here are born of hatred of the man and not necessarily of what he said. It was an excuse to bash Venables pure and simple by people who can't move on.
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Also, people who are on TV and may have an influence on what others think should take responsibility about what they say. This was clearly irresponsible of Terrible.
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I started the thread, not to fuel the abuse of Venables, rather in genuine surprise at what I'd heard.
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Do you have to be Jewish to support Spurs? Surely not, though I'm beginning to think so, based on some of the discussions on here recently about race and allegedly racist comments
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They usually have to react to a request for a comment very quickly and they then tend to shoot from the lip and some mistakes are made.
True, but....

It's still not acceptable is it really on national telly. For it to be almost a freudian slip we then assume he uses the term in his normal vocab.

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