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Old 24-11-2020, 12:09 PM
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Indeed! I don't think "What a Susan!" would have captured what I was aiming for. It sounds far less sinister.

Do have a watch of the movie. I think it's the best Alan Moore adaptation.
Agreed on both counts. I think the film is a decent adaptation, even though Moore always seems to hate every adaptation of his work, with some justification. Given the film was fairly low budget, it delivers well and doesn't stray too far from the original story.
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0% for all public sector workers outside of the NHS. All the while the richest get richer.
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Agreed on both counts. I think the film is a decent adaptation, even though Moore always seems to hate every adaptation of his work, with some justification. Given the film was fairly low budget, it delivers well and doesn't stray too far from the original story.
yeah its not too bad still prefer the source material though.
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0% for all public sector workers outside of the NHS. All the while the richest get richer.
Are the MPs still lined up for a pay increase?
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Old 25-11-2020, 01:22 PM
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Are the MPs still lined up for a pay increase?
They are currently in line for a 4.1% increase.
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Old 25-11-2020, 01:32 PM
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Rishi Sunak is proud of this government....well yippee for him...many think this govt is a total joke.
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Old 25-11-2020, 01:50 PM
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Rishi Sunak is proud of this government....well yippee for him...many think this govt is a total joke.
We live in a world where 70 million still think Trump is the answer.
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Tory backbencher Andrew Mitchell says he has "very strong support for virtually all of his package today".

But he says the chancellor's "proposed breaking of the 0.7% promise and the 30% further reduction in cash will be the cause of 100,000 preventable deaths, mainly among children".
100,000 deaths. It’s disgusting.
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We live in a world where 70 million still think Trump is the answer.
That is true and somewhat depressing.
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Old 25-11-2020, 02:57 PM
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0% for all public sector workers outside of the NHS. All the while the richest get richer.
The problem is the bill we face has to be paid for and this is going to be the case for years to come. There are two ways increase tax revenues or cut spending.
Then look at the private to public sector and the wage gap where the public sector has widened in its favour even more so this year.
The Overseas Aid budget is another matter fundamentally i would disagree with the cut. Yet as a country facing tough times ahead it is a tough sell maintaining it Mitchell has made the point though. Yet we increase Defence Spending there in is the line of attack an opposition might well make progress on. Yet Labour will find that tough as they are seen as weak on defence.
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Old 25-11-2020, 03:02 PM
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The problem is the bill we face has to be paid for and this is going to be the case for years to come. There are two ways increase tax revenues or cut spending.
Then look at the private to public sector and the wage gap where the public sector has widened in its favour even more so this year.
The Overseas Aid budget is another matter fundamentally i would disagree with the cut. Yet as a country facing tough times ahead it is a tough sell maintaining it Mitchell has made the point though. Yet we increase Defence Spending there in is the line of attack an opposition might well make progress on. Yet Labour will find that tough as they are seen as weak on defence.
Now is not the time to be worrying about how we repay the debt. Yes it is going to cost a fortune for years. The test will be how much debt the government can sustain.

The debt is a obviously enormous, but at the same time it is also likely to be cheap. The question is what impact will that have on the cost of any additional borrowing in the future (i.e. where is the ceiling for cheap U.K debt).
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The problem is the bill we face has to be paid for and this is going to be the case for years to come. There are two ways increase tax revenues or cut spending.
Then look at the private to public sector and the wage gap where the public sector has widened in its favour even more so this year.
The Overseas Aid budget is another matter fundamentally i would disagree with the cut. Yet as a country facing tough times ahead it is a tough sell maintaining it Mitchell has made the point though. Yet we increase Defence Spending there in is the line of attack an opposition might well make progress on. Yet Labour will find that tough as they are seen as weak on defence.
Cutting public sector wages just means that we will pay more for the same service through the private sector.
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Old 25-11-2020, 04:24 PM
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Extra 10bn subsidy to the railway companies. Magic money tree is getting a good shake.
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The problem is the bill we face has to be paid for and this is going to be the case for years to come. There are two ways increase tax revenues or cut spending.
Then look at the private to public sector and the wage gap where the public sector has widened in its favour even more so this year.
The Overseas Aid budget is another matter fundamentally i would disagree with the cut. Yet as a country facing tough times ahead it is a tough sell maintaining it Mitchell has made the point though. Yet we increase Defence Spending there in is the line of attack an opposition might well make progress on. Yet Labour will find that tough as they are seen as weak on defence.
It's widened this year. In the last last ten years public sector workers have had a 20% real terms wage cut, so overall the private sector has done much better.

That aside the rich continue to get far, far richer. Yet we have to have pay cuts.

And as you say they increase defence, yet cut a budget that will mean 100,000 deaths. 100,000 FFS!
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It's widened this year. In the last last ten years public sector workers have had a 20% real terms wage cut, so overall the private sector has done much better.

That aside the rich continue to get far, far richer. Yet we have to have pay cuts.

And as you say they increase defence, yet cut a budget that will mean 100,000 deaths. 100,000 FFS!
It's amazing how he just sort of throws that 100,000 deaths thing out there as an insignificant thing. Like, yeah I really strongly support all these measures but this 100,000 deaths thing might be a small issue with it but on the whole I'm definitely on board, lets go. Wtf.
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Cutting public sector wages just means that we will pay more for the same service through the private sector.
Rubbish......the public sector has been shielded from the affects of the Virus in terms of job losses.
Sevices Hospitality Travel has been hit with job losses let alone the issues on the high street. Not just small firms clothes shops like Peacocks to Argos and a whole host more. The unemployment rising to 2.5 million many of them youngsters. To older workers how many are coming from the public sector.
Rightly the NHS has been protected he has still kept increases for the lower paid. Teachers Police Fire we can all agree in normal times they deserve pay rises the roles will not be going to the private sector.
There are parts that can be criticised but the public sector pay freeze is not the issue.
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It's widened this year. In the last last ten years public sector workers have had a 20% real terms wage cut, so overall the private sector has done much better.

That aside the rich continue to get far, far richer. Yet we have to have pay cuts.

And as you say they increase defence, yet cut a budget that will mean 100,000 deaths. 100,000 FFS!
I would disagree look at the figures since 2014 growth is higher in the public sector. Jobs in the private sector have been created but they are not so highly paid jobs. Google for the figures and graphs.
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Rubbish......the public sector has been shielded from the affects of the Virus in terms of job losses.
Sevices Hospitality Travel has been hit with job losses let alone the issues on the high street. Not just small firms clothes shops like Peacocks to Argos and a whole host more. The unemployment rising to 2.5 million many of them youngsters. To older workers how many are coming from the public sector.
Rightly the NHS has been protected he has still kept increases for the lower paid. Teachers Police Fire we can all agree in normal times they deserve pay rises the roles will not be going to the private sector.
There are parts that can be criticised but the public sector pay freeze is not the issue.
It's not rubbish. The public sector is full of private sector personnel filling public sector roles at greater expense than the wage structures will allow. If you cut the public sector wages, those roles will just be filled by contractors and you will pay more for it.

It's a false economy. Look at how much has been spent on management consultants by this tory government. What exactly do you think they're doing?

In higher skill and experience roles the public sector pays less than the private sector.
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Perhaps NHE thinks he's getting good value from these guys.
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Perhaps NHE thinks he's getting good value from these guys.
Maybe do a little research on what the roles are for. Certainly consultsncy costs have risen but in response for the need of Brexit and Covid your approach would fail. Most of these senior guys are on six months or more notice periods. To get the skills needed and working would be way to late. These skills were not in the public sector and had to be obtained not wait 6 months a year. At the sane time they will be short term contracts no longer than 24 months. To get people in to fill the roles would of broken public sector polices.
Having dealt with both public sector and private sector when working. I may well be biased but the public sector was shielded from the pressures of the private sector. The management of contracts awarded by the public sector would be unacceptable in the private sector in my experience.
Everything apart despite CR point being wrong the pay in recent years have been higher on average in the public than private sector. The benefits of working in the public sector to the private sector remains.
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