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View Poll Results: Who do you want as Labour leader?
Rebecca Long Bailey 31 8.24%
Angela Rayner 23 6.12%
Jess Phillips 95 25.27%
Keir Starmer 140 37.23%
Emily Thornberry 23 6.12%
Other (name them in thread) 64 17.02%
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Andy Burnham is being touted as a possible candidate as leader, obviously he would need to get a seat but not an outrageous idea.
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‘period of reflection’ - sounds like something North Korea would say.
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If the Labour Party thinks that it will win the next election with the same policies and a different leader, we are in for ten years of Boris. Depressing thought.
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I would love it to be Jess Phillips; I've never not been impressed with her. But it's quite possible that being honest is something you genuinely can't reconcile with being a party leader, in which case her USP would be lessened.
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I would love it to be Jess Phillips; I've never not been impressed with her. But it's quite possible that being honest is something you genuinely can't reconcile with being a party leader, in which case her USP would be lessened.



She really is hugely impressive but I can’t see her as leader either. Loved what she said right at the end of this interview.
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She really is hugely impressive but I can’t see her as leader either. Loved what she said right at the end of this interview.


Yes she’s great. Will get my vote if she goes for it.
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This is a better interview once they get over the technical bits at the beginning.

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She would crucify Johnson
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I would love it to be Jess Phillips; I've never not been impressed with her. But it's quite possible that being honest is something you genuinely can't reconcile with being a party leader, in which case her USP would be lessened.
Is there anything about the recent general election victory by the most notorious liar in British politics in the last 50 years which leads you to that conclusion?
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Betrayal is the cry of the Left against Labour in govt. Now we have seen the truth: Betrayal is when an in-credible, sectarian Labour opposition fails to provide a viable alternative to a distrusted Tory party. They get rumbled. The Tories win. The country loses.

Corbyn and Corbynism abandoned Labour voters long before they abandoned him. They were literally repelled by a program that could not be delivered and leader who could not be trusted. Everything else is denial.
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    2017 Corbyn   12,878,460
    2015 Miliband  9,347,273
    2015 Brown     8,609,527
    2005 Bliar     9,552,436
What Miliband calls denial, I call 'addition'.
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What Miliband calls denial, I call 'addition'.
The only Labour leader to have won an election in the last 40-something years was Blair. Everyone else = zero. Try that maths.

Labour can either look at how he achieved it, what they can learn from it, what they can adjust to their current policy position and how they can get the electorate to buy into what they're trying to achieve or they can continue to be in opposition.

I've not suggested moving left or moving right or jumping up and down. There are a whole bunch of things to learn from what Blair got right or wrong and what Corbyn got right or wrong but Labour need to learn them.
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What Miliband calls denial, I call 'addition'.
Interesting but it is the share of the vote that is relevant - Corbyn got a big boost coming from nowhere with a new idealistic agenda in 2017 (to 40%) but then dropped back to a level (33%) when people got to know him. The 33% vote share is below Blair got in 2005 just a year or two after taking the country into a war that alienated him from many voters. And this in an election where the incumbent government have (even by a decent chunk of their own voters) been a shambles
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Jess Phillips would pull the Labour Party significantly to the right.

I politically disagree with that but also don’t think it will work.

To be honest whoever wins will take the Labour Party more to the right, it’s a matter of how much they would. Phillips would do it more than most.
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A bit rich from David Miliband. He abandoned labour because his brother won, then moved country to line his pockets.
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The only Labour leader to have won an election in the last 40-something years was Blair. Everyone else = zero. Try that maths.

Labour can either look at how he achieved it, what they can learn from it, what they can adjust to their current policy position and how they can get the electorate to buy into what they're trying to achieve or they can continue to be in opposition.

I've not suggested moving left or moving right or jumping up and down. There are a whole bunch of things to learn from what Blair got right or wrong and what Corbyn got right or wrong but Labour need to learn them.
Is there a point in a right of centre Labour party, that's barely different than what Cameron's Tory reign offers. Winning means nothing if it offers more of the same
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It's totally irrelevant who takes the job

It could be Dalai Lama and within months he would be an untrustworthy terrorist sympathiser wrapped in a crazy blanket
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A bit rich from David Miliband. He abandoned labour because his brother won, then moved country to line his pockets.
Perish the thought a man should go for a good job, eh
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It's totally irrelevant who takes the job

It could be Dalai Lama and within months he would be an untrustworthy terrorist sympathiser wrapped in a crazy blanket
Very Donald.
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Interesting but it is the share of the vote that is relevant - Corbyn got a big boost coming from nowhere with a new idealistic agenda in 2017 (to 40%) but then dropped back to a level (33%) when people got to know him. The 33% vote share is below Blair got in 2005 just a year or two after taking the country into a war that alienated him from many voters. And this in an election where the incumbent government have (even by a decent chunk of their own voters) been a shambles
Whoever you choose, will basically face the same problem, a hostile media, attacking the person, not the policy and creating a climate of paranoia.

The Labour party were their own worst enemy. Where the conservatives tend to close ranks and hunker down behind their leader in elections, Labour fire themselves apart over sectarian divisions, esp between the party and the Parliamentary party. Rather than build on the successes of 2017, they went after themselves. Meanwhile Johnson sacked 21 of his own party including big names, and the factions, including some of those rebels, remained loyal to the cause, closing ranks behind their leader and leadership
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It's totally irrelevant who takes the job

It could be Dalai Lama and within months he would be an untrustworthy terrorist sympathiser wrapped in a crazy blanket
The ammunition has to be there though, along with a willing internal faction happy to destroy its own chances.

People are easily fed propaganda, when you are in the photos
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