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Old Yesterday, 02:01 PM
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The reason why we are having a chat is because the way it's been carrying on is not working, and it is very, very bad

Do you want me pretend, at the moment it does seem possible, if they send that bloke H knows, who knows but the simple reality is, both are too far apart.

The conclusion here has been forcing both sides is the only way, both sides.

Shrugging and woe are because both sides are still pushing the agenda of getting rid of each other with extreme prejudice and hate.

There are no signs of this changing, but choosing just one side and marching for one side helps continue this.

By the way, how much land are you hoping for and will you want full independence, free movement and the right for armed forces?
H has provided a lot of useful information and insights. Can we all leave out the digs? He’s far better than a lot of posters on here who just throw around insults.

Again my side is allowing Palestinians and Israelis their national rights. Both of them. Through one or two states.

Yes a state should be allowed armed forces. If Israel can have them why not a Palestinian state. Land will need to be a compromise. And both states like any other can decide what freedom of movement they have.

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For both ?
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H has provided a lot of useful information and insights. Can we all leave out the digs? He’s far better than a lot of posters on here who just throw around insults.

Again my side is allowing Palestinians and Israelis their national rights. Both of them. Through one or two states.

Yes a state should be allowed armed forces. If Israel can have them why not a Palestinian state. Land will need to be a compromise. And both states like any other can decide what freedom of movement they have.

By the way I’m glad I’m your friend

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Especially as cr likes his spade as do most of us. (Honourable exception - and I miss his thinking on all of this ; Kipungu).
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Especially as cr likes his spade as do most of us. (Honourable exception - and I miss his thinking on all of this ; Kipungu).
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You didn’t really address the point about Israel asking for both Western support and moral equivalence, so not sure why you’re quoting me.

In terms of “ Western values”, not sure if you’ve noticed, but we’ve been trying to sheepishly move away from colonialism for some time now, not stumble back into it. Just because we’ve supported ethnic cleansing in the past doesn’t mean we have to accept it today.
Gaza is being bombed, not ethnically cleansed. Ethnic cleansing would be, er, say, having 953,000 Jews living in arab states in 1948 being reduced to 4000 today, don't you think?
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Will come back to your points.
OK I read your solution but it's not going to be accepted by 'the Palestinians'. And that is because they don't want a 2 state solution, they want all Jews wiped out from the region.

The only way it could work is if Arab League soldiers are massively embedded within the Palestinian state for decades as peacekeepers, and the Government is controlled from outside, but for that to happen you would need wankers like Iran to not be powerful enough to involve themselves, which isn't going to happen.
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Is this a unique phenomena to Palestine or do you think this exists in every country?




I don't know enough to comment on Jews in the Arab world, but as you mentioned Hitler was a European Christian, and as you can see in The US and the UK and around the world Antisemitism has been prevalent for centuries and centuries and isn't exclusive to the "Arab world".

Sorry but both of these are excuses, whataboutery tbh.
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I’ll wind certain posters up. Same happened repetitively in NI. As soon as there looked like progress some knob from either side tried to disrupt it. The chap I referenced that worked both NI and Isreal/gaza referred to that disruption directly. He described himself sitting in the room with angry people and asked, to paraphrase; “are we carrying on”. He got a yes. It appears he is no longer involved in this one. Maybe he will be next year if Labour get in and the democrats stay. Would be good to get people like him in as he’s really good at using opinion polls to break down public opinion to get diametrically opposed positions to agree.



That was irrelevantly boring
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That was irrelevantly boring
Which is kind of funny. As no one bothers engaging with you anymore. You’re just an irrelevant, angry cuckold. Shit loads of people have told you to get help and you don’t listen. You just swallow more red pills. Weirdo.
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Which is kind of funny. As no one bothers engaging with you anymore. You’re just an irrelevant, angry cuckold. Shit loads of people have told you to get help and you don’t listen. You just swallow more red pills. Weirdo.
And the most compelling level headed, open minded, values post goes to…….


Please don’t expect any credibility after this very personal post, which are usually only fired off by people when they realise that their argument has no legs.
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And the most compelling level headed, open minded, values post goes to…….


Please don’t expect any credibility after this very personal post, which are usually only fired off by people when they realise that their argument has no legs.
Lol. When someone repeatedly calls you a cuckold. You point out they should stop, cos err, you know, and they ignore you; I thinks it’s fair game. Weirdos who like to bully people (cos they have taken a mythical red pill) can go **** themselves. They can have their slurs shoved down their throats and go and cry (again) to the mods. Cos they’re real men; who get the mods to delete stuff they don’t like.

You would have a point, an entirely valid point if I was the one who started using cuckold as a derogative. I wasn’t. Third time I gave up and yeah. Now I’m all in. Should be fun.

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Gaza is being bombed, not ethnically cleansed. Ethnic cleansing would be, er, say, having 953,000 Jews living in arab states in 1948 being reduced to 4000 today, don't you think?
One man’s ethnic cleansing is another man’s golden age.
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One man’s ethnic cleansing is another man’s golden age.
Wtf? Did you actually just write that?
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There is a school of thought being banded on here as one man’s terrorism is another man’s freedom fight
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