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Old 18-02-2019, 11:09 PM
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In fairness the Leave campaign did promise we wouldn't leave a single job because of Brexit.

And they are right we are going to lose hundreds of thousands of them
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Old 19-02-2019, 02:20 AM
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So, the retired folk of Swindon voted away the jobs of a good number of their working neighbours.

They must be so pleased.
Honda proposing to close in the UK by 2022 is nothing to do with Brexit.

Honda are the second smallest car manufacturer in the EU - only Mitsubishi sells less cars to the EU.

The UK accounts for around a third of Honda's EU sales - around 50k cars.

Out of the company's total sales of around 5,000,000 The UK accounts for 1% and the rest of the EU around 2%.


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It makes sense for them to focus on their largest markets and manufacture closer to where they are.

You can bet the Japanese government is also encouraging this with tax breaks etc.
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Old 19-02-2019, 05:58 AM
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If Article 50 is revoked as many are predicting, will make the European elections very interesting and potentially highly embarrassing for the major parties.
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Old 19-02-2019, 06:47 AM
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Honda proposing to close in the UK by 2022 is nothing to do with Brexit.
Nothing bad that is happening is anything to do with the imminent Brexit.

If anything bad happens after Brexit it will be just down to the global market, the EU being nasty to us, or potholes slowing down lorries, or a multitude of other reasons, but never, I repeat, never, because of Brexit.
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Old 19-02-2019, 06:58 AM
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They might have been the "common thought" when the A380 started being delivered, it certainly wasn't when it was designed. The entire industry, manufacturers, airlines and airport operators got it wrong. They were convinced by and bought into the hub concept but passengers didn't want it.

As for Airbus making parts for the aircraft in many different countries and delivering to one assembly point, it doesn't sound that different to the supply chain of motor manufacturers. All you need is open, tariff free borders.
If only this existed! Surely everyone would want to be part of it?
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Old 19-02-2019, 06:59 AM
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Well no because if you actually got socialism then capitalism wouldn't exist. It is a system designed to replace another one. Where as social democracy is a system that is there to exist within capitalism and is a capitalist society.

I'm glad you agree that the social democratic model can be improved on.
trouble is global socialism is nowhere close to being implemented. Imposition will not work.
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Old 19-02-2019, 07:05 AM
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Honda proposing to close in the UK by 2022 is nothing to do with Brexit.
It may not have everything to do with Brexit, but you believe that it has nothing to do with it, you are extremely gullible.
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Old 19-02-2019, 07:08 AM
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If Article 50 is revoked as many are predicting, will make the European elections very interesting and potentially highly embarrassing for the major parties.
Which parties? We aren't having elections?
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Old 19-02-2019, 07:23 AM
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It may well be true that Brexit has nothing to do with companies leaving the UK.

But it's odd that they aren't hanging around to enjoy the economic miracle we are promised post-March 29th.
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Old 19-02-2019, 07:43 AM
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Which parties? We aren't having elections?
I thought there were European elections in May?
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Old 19-02-2019, 07:44 AM
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Honda proposing to close in the UK by 2022 is nothing to do with Brexit.

Honda are the second smallest car manufacturer in the EU - only Mitsubishi sells less cars to the EU.

The UK accounts for around a third of Honda's EU sales - around 50k cars.

Out of the company's total sales of around 5,000,000 The UK accounts for 1% and the rest of the EU around 2%.


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It makes sense for them to focus on their largest markets and manufacture closer to where they are.

You can bet the Japanese government is also encouraging this with tax breaks etc.
Can you answer how brexit gives us a stronger hand in trade negotiations, given the refusal by the Japanese to just roll over the EU terms?
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Old 19-02-2019, 07:51 AM
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Honda proposing to close in the UK by 2022 is nothing to do with Brexit.
So given the fact that it is marginal to Honda & they have done everything to keep it going, you think Brexit has encouraged them to keep going? Decreasing access to Europe & raising costs for parts was a good strategy in trying to persuade them to stay? If the UK could afford to lose Honda then why did we lobby to phase out car tariffs in the FTA before 2027?
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Old 19-02-2019, 07:56 AM
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Nothing bad that is happening is anything to do with the imminent Brexit.

If anything bad happens after Brexit it will be just down to the global market, the EU being nasty to us, or potholes slowing down lorries, or a multitude of other reasons, but never, I repeat, never, because of Brexit.
Spot on. It’s already started on this thread. Even if employers explicitly state it is brexit, the loonies will deny.
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Old 19-02-2019, 08:06 AM
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Honda proposing to close in the UK by 2022 is nothing to do with Brexit..





Nissan freezing investment, Sony and Panasonic moving to Holland, Norinchukin Investments, finance companies Azimo and Market Axess, Insurance company UK & PI Club, TVT Media, are following them. France is talking to up to 50 more UK based Japanese companies about relocating.

Perhaps they are all leaving because they want a change of scenery?
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It may well be true that Brexit has nothing to do with companies leaving the UK.

But it's odd that they aren't hanging around to enjoy the economic miracle we are promised post-March 29th.
It is strange isn't it?


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I thought there were European elections in May?
Not for us. Can't imagine any extension changes that either?
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It may not have everything to do with Brexit, but you believe that it has nothing to do with it, you are extremely gullible.
If Honda were relocating inside the Single Market then you could put this down to Brexit. But they're not, they're relocating to Japan. Why? Because the EU has negotiated a trade deal with Japan that basically allows free trade in goods so they no longer need to have a manufacturing base inside the EU.

If anything this is a result of the EU-Japan trade deal. Unavoidable.
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If anything this is a result of the EU-Japan trade deal. Unavoidable.
But that deal does not phase out car tariffs until 2027 and this move is to be completed 5 years before then, so I am not clear how the FTA is the main driver?

Imagine that the FTA introduced zero tariffs on Brexit day: Honda et al would still face higher costs, including from longer lead times & storage costs in their supply chains, if they stayed in the UK.
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