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Old 21-07-2019, 05:21 PM
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Old 21-07-2019, 05:33 PM
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Old 21-07-2019, 06:13 PM
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So shocked to see such hypocrisy from the sensible,pragmatic,anti-racist centrists.
Well sums up the video who funded the advert he asks. when meanwhile Bastini has gone to extraordinary lengths to hide who funds Novora Media .
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Old 21-07-2019, 06:18 PM
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What was said in the video that was wrong?
What was wrong with the video is the same thing that was wrong a week or so ago after the Guardian had published a letter from Jewish figures (that they inadvisably labeled prominent) in support of Chris Williamson. The people who didn't like the content of the letter attacked the character of some of the signatories and the letter was removed.

It was bullshit then and it's a bit bullshit here now as well. I suspect that a number of the peers may be more interested in removing Corbyn than they are in antisemitism, bur showing a handful of them to be a bit dodgy goes no way yo proving that the letter in general written in bad faith.
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Old 21-07-2019, 08:45 PM
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What was wrong with the video is the same thing that was wrong a week or so ago after the Guardian had published a letter from Jewish figures (that they inadvisably labeled prominent) in support of Chris Williamson. The people who didn't like the content of the letter attacked the character of some of the signatories and the letter was removed.

It was bullshit then and it's a bit bullshit here now as well. I suspect that a number of the peers may be more interested in removing Corbyn than they are in antisemitism, bur showing a handful of them to be a bit dodgy goes no way yo proving that the letter in general written in bad faith.
There was more behind the Guardian letter. A couple of signatures for instance signed as representing groups Hope not Hate the name used was not recognised by the group. Another was JLC or JLM they also did not recognise name. There is another issue regarding the link to a list of names unlike the advert once published the spreadsheet of names can be altered. The Guardian has some responsibility on checking signatures before publication though it was pretty useless on the original names.Once published adding names would of been possible.
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Old 21-07-2019, 10:29 PM
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What was wrong with the video is the same thing that was wrong a week or so ago after the Guardian had published a letter from Jewish figures (that they inadvisably labeled prominent) in support of Chris Williamson. The people who didn't like the content of the letter attacked the character of some of the signatories and the letter was removed.

It was bullshit then and it's a bit bullshit here now as well. I suspect that a number of the peers may be more interested in removing Corbyn than they are in antisemitism, bur showing a handful of them to be a bit dodgy goes no way yo proving that the letter in general written in bad faith.
So you haven't got a problem with people who are undemocratically in positions of influence and proven to have made racist comments attacking a democratically elected leader and anti-racist campaigner?
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Old 22-07-2019, 12:23 AM
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So you haven't got a problem with people who are undemocratically in positions of influence and proven to have made racist comments attacking a democratically elected leader and anti-racist campaigner?
This has what to do with the advert read it does not suggest he is racist I would but they don't. They say he had failed in the art of leadership by allowing the racism to go unchecked.
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Old 22-07-2019, 03:21 AM
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Old 22-07-2019, 08:21 AM
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Nice to see that on the last day of May as PM and the day before a new PM is announced, The Times have gone with a front page about Corbyn’s dwindling support. No agenda here at all. Just good honest journalism.
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Corbyn only really has support of the Mirror in terms of the written press doesn't he?

I must admit to not personally bought a daily rag in ages..

But hatchet jobs seem to be easy to spot these days, good honest journalism seems to have gone right out of the window.

Of course when that goof takes over tomorrow, the knives will be sharpened within days
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Nice to see that on the last day of May as PM and the day before a new PM is announced, The Times have gone with a front page about Corbyn’s dwindling support. No agenda here at all. Just good honest journalism.
I’m not too sure the front page headline that says “this is the day before we get a new prime minister” would be exactly news. Neither is the fact that May is resigning.
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This has what to do with the advert read it does not suggest he is racist I would but they don't. They say he had failed in the art of leadership by allowing the racism to go unchecked.
But their own racism going unchecked was acceptable?
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But their own racism going unchecked was acceptable?
Here’s the bit I don’t get.

I would assume that you want Labour to win the next election, yes?

If Labour want to win the next election they have to deal with the issue. Dealing with the issue is not attacking anyone who criticises Leadership for their utter failure to deal with the issue, however right or wrong that criticism.

By attacking anyone who criticise leadership, not only does Leadership fail to deal with the issue, it also makes the issue a larger issue, and throws in a “leadership’s political judgement is dreadful” angle in for good measure. I’ll concede that the “leadership's political judgement is dreadful” view was already held by anyone who paid any attention to leadership’s attempts to deal with the definition of anti-semitism, where it was obvious from the get go that they were going to have to accept the definition in full and the months of fart-arsing about was a) pointless and b) going to make the situation worse.
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I’m not too sure the front page headline that says “this is the day before we get a new prime minister” would be exactly news. Neither is the fact that May is resigning.
No you’re right; the Chancellor resigning on live TV and other ministers looking like they’ll do the same tomorrow is just not front page news at all.
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No you’re right; the Chancellor resigning on live TV and other ministers looking like they’ll do the same tomorrow is just not front page news at all.
The FT, the Guardian and The Telegraph, Express, Mail, Sun and Star would agree with you. They don't mention these things on their front pages either.
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The FT, the Guardian and The Telegraph, Express, Mail, Sun and Star would agree with you. They don't mention these things on their front pages either.
You've just proved his point there.
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But their own racism going unchecked was acceptable?
As with the funding of the advert issue Bastani is hypocritical his own racism is acceptable.
As for a journalist he cannot even get the day of the Panorama program right. Anyone would think he never watched it. Not surprising as he has history the call out of Sacks on a letter he never signed.
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