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Old 19-07-2019, 11:23 AM
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I think my favouritist one is when Tom Watson gets referred to as a Blairite. The man who instigated a coup against Blair in 2006.
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Old 19-07-2019, 11:25 AM
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Corbyn's manifest doesn't strike me as very far out. I can imagine a centre right party in Spain coming up with it - it was very mainstream. You could as easily suggest he drops the extravagant stuff about Palestine and Venezuela.
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Old 19-07-2019, 11:29 AM
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Labour should be on the front foot now. Any arguments from the Tories about whether their policies are unaffordable are blown out of the water by the unfunded promises from both Johnson and Hunt.

But because of their fudging over Brexit and their failure to tackle anti-semitism, they are permanently on the back foot.
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Old 19-07-2019, 11:33 AM
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That's poor leadership.
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Old 19-07-2019, 11:44 AM
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That's poor leadership.
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Old 19-07-2019, 12:02 PM
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Speaking to an economist pal last night, he is under the impression that we will go to the polls in October.

I'm caught in two minds whether this will be good news for Corbyn.
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Old 19-07-2019, 12:34 PM
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Speaking to an economist pal last night, he is under the impression that we will go to the polls in October.

I'm caught in two minds whether this will be good news for Corbyn.
The second unscheduled opportunity to change our minds about who is in government since The Vote We Cannot Change Our Minds About Because That Would Be Undemocratic?
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Old 19-07-2019, 07:19 PM
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Speaking to an economist pal last night, he is under the impression that we will go to the polls in October.

I'm caught in two minds whether this will be good news for Corbyn.
Staff at the House of Commons are working on the premise that Johnson will ensure a General Election is held in mid October. The usual preparations are in full swing, e.g. guides for new MPs.

(This is from someone currently engaged in the task ...)

Hard to imagine any scenario which is good news for Corbyn.
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Old 19-07-2019, 07:24 PM
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Mid October. So another postponement of Brexit. What’s the mechanism for calling an election, again?
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Old 19-07-2019, 09:07 PM
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Meanwhile as all the attacks on Corbyn continue we have the case in Bristol of the collapse into Administration of the pharmaceutical company two years after the sale by Astra. At least Astra have promised to pay the 12m redundancy pay if the asset sale doesn't cover it. Another nasty piece of bandit capitalism. Shows how much a socialist government is needed.
So a socialist government is going to bail out all companies going bust? I don't think so ....
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Old 19-07-2019, 09:37 PM
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So a socialist government is going to bail out all companies going bust? I don't think so ....
No, but stopping asset stripping of viable companies that are then abandoned into debt is a worthwhile activity.
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Old 19-07-2019, 11:29 PM
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Speaking to an economist pal last night, he is under the impression that we will go to the polls in October.
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Speaking to a brexiteer he is under the impression that the poles will be going after October.
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Old 19-07-2019, 11:40 PM
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The chances of Boris getting a significant change out of Brussels are less than 5% IMHO, he may though come back with a form of words that he tries to sell as a change and I can see a few ERG-ers going for it, plus a few labour scum such as Hoey. The DUP won't though.

And the trouble with saying he is happy with a no deal - it gives the ERG loonies no incentive to vote for his deal because they can smell no deal nirvana it's that close.

So my guess is the faux changes to May's deal he gets he won't be able to sell to Parliament. It will then have to be referendum or election. I plump for referendum on the basis that having become PM, finally, the last thing he wants is to risk not being PM.

And to be honest I am not sure why Brexiteers who want no deal are so agin a referendum, to a man and woman they keep telling us its what the country wants. If so get the country to give you the clear irrevocable binding mandate then!
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Old 20-07-2019, 05:42 AM
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The chances of Boris getting a significant change out of Brussels are less than 5% IMHO, he may though come back with a form of words that he tries to sell as a change and I can see a few ERG-ers going for it, plus a few labour scum such as Hoey. The DUP won't though.

And the trouble with saying he is happy with a no deal - it gives the ERG loonies no incentive to vote for his deal because they can smell no deal nirvana it's that close.

So my guess is the faux changes to May's deal he gets he won't be able to sell to Parliament. It will then have to be referendum or election. I plump for referendum on the basis that having become PM, finally, the last thing he wants is to risk not being PM.

And to be honest I am not sure why Brexiteers who want no deal are so agin a referendum, to a man and woman they keep telling us its what the country wants. If so get the country to give you the clear irrevocable binding mandate then!
My guess is that the EU will humiliate Boris in his futile attempts to get a change in the backstop, and he will then go for no deal. BoJo does not attract any respect from the EU, unlike May received. There will be more Tory MP resignations and parliament will assert itself more strongly against no deal, even more than before, and an inevitable vote of no confidence will be won to generate a general election. As a consequence, Brexit will be given yet another extension of six months to facilitate this.

Of course we have the Iran crisis which could lead to conflict which Boris will use to distract from his Brexit problems and that could mix things up a bit and throw all predictions out of the window.
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But MPs still have to tell us what they do want. The big block of Labour MPs are the group whom are the most unclear. The SNP, liberals, a few Tories and significant numbers of Labour want to remain. Plenty of Tories voted for the May/EU deal. Plenty of Tories want a hard Brexit. It is this big group of labour that I cannot work out. In an election their position would be ridiculed.
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Old 20-07-2019, 07:09 AM
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But MPs still have to tell us what they do want. The big block of Labour MPs are the group whom are the most unclear. The SNP, liberals, a few Tories and significant numbers of Labour want to remain. Plenty of Tories voted for the May/EU deal. Plenty of Tories want a hard Brexit. It is this big group of labour that I cannot work out. In an election their position would be ridiculed.
In an election my suspicion is leadership would try to gloss over brexit, like they did last time.

Though clearly it would be considerable harder to do that now.
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They should be vibrant and ebullient about their chances, a clear open goal wasted..

The result will almost certainly guarantee us 5 years of Boris, thanks to extremists, weak leadership and mixed messages.

All very sad
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They should be vibrant and ebullient about their chances, a clear open goal wasted..

The result will almost certainly guarantee us 5 years of Boris, thanks to extremists, weak leadership and mixed messages.

All very sad
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But MPs still have to tell us what they do want. The big block of Labour MPs are the group whom are the most unclear. The SNP, liberals, a few Tories and significant numbers of Labour want to remain. Plenty of Tories voted for the May/EU deal. Plenty of Tories want a hard Brexit. It is this big group of labour that I cannot work out. In an election their position would be ridiculed.
If there is a General Election I suspect there will be a new referendum in the Labour Manifesto.
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Almost certainly, but qualified sadly.
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