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Old 09-08-2016, 03:46 PM
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hmm, you maybe interpreted it that way. I never meant it that way.

You cant see that if we went down at least one positive might be you'd see some youngster get more of a chance to develop and become first team players?
Yeah but I'd much rather stay up
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**** the Premier League, let's get relegated all the way to the conference so we can come back up again

This can't go on. It'll be funny watching it all fall to pieces when it eventually does. Though I've been saying that for about 10 years now...
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Old 09-08-2016, 04:35 PM
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different reasons than you maybe?
Sure but that only partially answers the question!
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Old 09-08-2016, 04:44 PM
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For our young players, I think it's absolutely the right decision to loan them out.
Do you say that as you feel it shows the club which players will make it and which won't. I ask as it seems most of our loanees are sold or released. I was shocked to read (I think it was you) that Boeteng may be sold this summer.
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Its easy to say that AJ but when you have CY Lee complaining to the press about a lack of chances and Mariappa winding his contract down; these result in poor morale around the dressing room, senior players in the squad need to be respected otherwise why have 25?

Even if one youngster is included on the bench, only 3 get on the pitch. The only time you would risk it over a senior in the same position is if we were coasting to victory, even though it is dangerous to do this in the Premiership with every point vital.

Jonny Williams made a cameo against Chelsea last season and plenty of people complained he passed sideways and didnt cause a threat (not what I thought) so Im sure plenty would complain if a youngster came on and we lost.

I want to see youngsters come through, but I object to it being used as a swipe at the management. Pardew needs to keep 25 players happy and in form first, so they can come in if required, this gets over-looked.
Then you have to ask yourself why players like Chung-Yong Lee are in our squad at all other than to try to get a few fans in the Asian market (which let's be honest is probably one of the main reasons he's here as he really isn't very good).
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Old 09-08-2016, 09:32 PM
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Totally agree with that. Sometimes this insistence from certain managers to hold them back like they might break in half or something is frustrating. Peter Taylor was a classic case of this and Warnock was such a breath of fresh air in comparison. If it was left to Taylor, Nat Clyne would probably still be 'not quite ready' for his debut yet!

Clyne is a classic example of why throwing them in sometimes pays big dividends. He wasn't that highly rated in our academy; in fact I think I'm right in saying it wasn't that long before his debut where he struggled to hold down a place in the academy side. But from that very first game he just looked the real deal.

Of course it's a lot easier to risk playing youngsters when you're a Championship side, as at Premier League level you can properly get your pants pulled down if you show any weaknesses; but still think in the right game and moment, we should be testing out some of these kids just in case we might have a golden nugget on our hands.
Yep. And so right on Taylor/Warnock comparison. Within a couple of months of taking over, Warnock was playing Lee Hills, Bostock, Moses and Scannell in the first team.

Southampton definitely throw their youngsters in the deep end and it works bloody well.
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Old 09-08-2016, 09:35 PM
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Wilf was the obvious example. Late developer in the academy - chucked in the first team squad and ran with it.
The Academy nearly let him go when he was 15/16.

I think that the key is not to put the kids in high pressure situations. For example, Paul Hart didn't often play Clyne even though he had been in the team for a couple of years and went with Butterfield's experience.
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Then you have to ask yourself why players like Chung-Yong Lee are in our squad at all other than to try to get a few fans in the Asian market (which let's be honest is probably one of the main reasons he's here as he really isn't very good).
Take it you weren't at the game against Valencia on Saturday? He was the best player on the pitch when he came on.
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Yep. And so right on Taylor/Warnock comparison. Within a couple of months of taking over, Warnock was playing Lee Hills, Bostock, Moses and Scannell in the first team.

Southampton definitely throw their youngsters in the deep end and it works bloody well.
Don't remember Warnock blooding any youngsters when he was manager recently!
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Neither do I, but I don't think we had any who were as good as Scannell or Moses.

We now have Kai Kai, Boateng and potentially this Dreher chap who can't be far away. If we get off to a decent start this year, it will be interesting to see if they are involved.
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Stick in the cup games to see how they do?
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Stick in the cup games to see how they do?
I want to win a cup, and think the club want to as well.
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Christian scales, oliver pain, goalkeeper both loaned out both released. Means nothing tbh
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Scales was released after being loaned to a L2 club at 19, having been 90 mins from being released a year ago when he was given just a one year pro deal. He struggled at that level - never stood out hugely at 21s level but was a solid enough player.

Ollie Pain is a keeper, he went on loan to a non-league side and struggled. Again he was not one who excelled in the 18s.

Totally different to Dreher who made his 21s debut shortly after he turned 17, and has excelled ever since, regularly training with the first team and also obviously getting the assist in the friendly at Fulham.

I see this thread has gone off-topic a bit. There is an academy thread as well to discuss the academy generally. But I'd give Dreher some game time vs Blackpool, likewise Kaikai and probably Anderson.
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Not involved in the U23 game today. Travelled with the first team to Spurs. I think we might see a debut tomorrow (probably off the bench if so)
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Good news, I hope he get's game time. He seems to be a great prospect with a football brain, rare with someone so young.
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More excited by developing a player with his potential then with the multi-million pound signings.
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