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Old 28-06-2019, 12:15 PM
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Zeki Celik would be a decent option but with Pepe going Lille might not need/want to sell.
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I can't imagine JW wanting to hang around if we bring in Clyne as first choice and leave him on the bench. If we did, we might end up buying Clyne and then still needing to buy someone else to replace Wardy. I would rather just keep Joel and bring in a young RB from the lower leagues to add competition, but keep JW as first choice for now.
Him not wanting to ‘hang around’ would mean there would have to be clubs bidding for him.
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Is Clyne any better than Ward? He'd add competition and depth, but I think that would be an expensive and maybe unharmonious addition.

Much preferred we got a good younger player from the Championship, one who has played a decent amount of football and who we could realistically see competing with Ward for the role.
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Ward is good back up but his lack of pace and his ability on the ball means he shouldn't be first choice

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I'm hoping we don't buy an RB at all, unless we keep Wilf Zaha. I'll explain that strange statement;

When we chose to buy Benteke instead of an CAM and then brought Sakho, the combined cost and wages made it very hard to buy someone to help Wilf ( and, to a lesser degree, Andros ) in terms of creativity. We've been overwhelmingly dependent on Wilf since. He thankfully became such a creative force for us that he essentially did much of what a good winger, CAM and a good striker did, all in one. He created goals, won penalties, scored goals and often acted as a strike partner to Benteke.

The context to all this is that Wilf has carried most of the responsibilities of a winger, striker and CAM, with no one able to replace him adequately in ANY of those three roles. Assuming we do get in a good striker, to begin to replace Wilf will need at least TWO great buys in a winger and CAM. If we don't, I see our creativity dropping and a real struggle to stay up. Getting quality in just those two positions will probably require the kind of outlay that will eat up the Zaha money after the Wankers take their cut. In other words, we spend all the Wilf money replacing Wilf.

That leaves us still with a requirement to find a striker able to score and stay fit, a replacement for AWB and another CB. With us needing to balance books with the £45M we can expect from AWB and with any incoming player going to want way more wages than the £10K p/w AWB earned, don't be surprised if we have only £35M or so available for transfer fees. I don't think I'm being unreasonably negative with that figure.

Assuming that to be the case, we have circa £35M for a striker, CB and RB. The striker must happen. Say Mitrovic for £25M. We need a CB more than another RB, IMHO. Sakho, Tomkins and Dann are all injury concerns these days. Assuming a CB is our next priority, I think that's our transfer budget already blown, unless I'm both happy and relieved to be proven wrong and the club is able to raise much more for a RB, as well.

So I'm not sure we can or should pay for a replacement RB. We have Ward and Kelly able to play there. If Ward can do a job as a LB, couldn't PVA do one as a RB, with Schlupp playing LB if Ward got hurt? It seems to me we have adequate full back cover for both sides even if it's admittedly not great cover.

My point to all this is that we might do better not buying a RB at all, at least not until January. I think it's the lesser of the evils facing us, given we are probably about to lose the great majority of our creativity in a single player, have no reliable striker and some serious concerns in the heart of our defense.
Or we just could and should buy a RB!
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Old 28-06-2019, 03:55 PM
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Isn't he a left back?
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Not good enough IMO, we need a second specialist RB
I agree but always useful to have that extra cover if there are injuries.

Likewise Schlupp at left-back.
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Joel Ward plus U23 support / new lower league young understudy or occasionally Martin Kelly.
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If it's anyone, Bring Clyne back to South London

However, Ward is fine - could always look in January if doesn't work

It's incredibly unlikely we can get a right back now without being massively ripped off. Everyone knows we just sold one for loads so anyone in contract will cost £15-35m. Those not in contract £125k a week wages plus £2-5m signing on costs. If they are foreign and spend six months settling like Meyer and Guiata, Ward will be playing anyway
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