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Old 08-07-2019, 11:07 AM
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We have signed a 3rd Choice keeper for a season who probably never play. People need to chill out. It’s only because there hasn’t been any other signings.
That's not it at all. I just don't see the logic in signing a goalkeeper who's never going to improve over one who we could develop to potentially be our 'keeper for the next 10+ years.

It's not like we haven't had time to line one up.

It just stinks of a lack of planning, which has been evident at the club for some time now.
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Old 08-07-2019, 11:08 AM
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Interesting article.

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“Crystal Palace the football club have some wonderfully vivid associations, certainly, but Crystal Palace the football team are a much vaguer concept. They’re defined by individuals – by Hodgson’s caution and by Zaha’s flashing feet – rather than native qualities.”

Hits the nail on the head.
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Oh what a disaster, we've signed a 3rd choice goalkeeper who is 31, so clearly we aren't looking to develop some kid into Pickford and sell him for gazillions, we're doomed.......
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Oh what a disaster, we've signed a 3rd choice goalkeeper who is 31, so clearly we aren't looking to develop some kid into Pickford and sell him for gazillions, we're doomed.......
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That's not it at all. I just don't see the logic in signing a goalkeeper who's never going to improve over one who we could develop to potentially be our 'keeper for the next 10+ years.

It's not like we haven't had time to line one up.

It just stinks of a lack of planning, which has been evident at the club for some time now.
We have other areas we need to strengthen. To buy a decent keeper who has potential to be out next number 1 for the next 10 years you are talking £5-10m atleast, money we dont need to spend. Goalkeepers in the Premier League rarely are broken in, they are normally are signed from other clubs having played 100 plus league games. Hardy as if we are going against the grain. Jordan Pickford is the exception at Sunderland but even he came through their youth system. We had a look at Perri and the money involved was £4m plus. I would rather have Henderson and more money in other areas.

We still have Curtis-Henry and Tupper, that may satisfy your need for having ‘developing’ keepers around.
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I'd assume Henderson will play for the under 23's as an over age player, ably assisted by Webber.

I think Curtis-Henry and Tupper will be loaned out for experience

As for our business model, Ron's buy cheap, sell for a profit worked well for many years.

I do like the but one marquee player and a few suitable squad men.

The major boobage in the last ten years, have been.

Burleys original dross, although we had half a team

Holloways scattergun approach

Pardews splurge..

We've on the whole done ok, Mutch and Kebe aside!
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Guiata - free - definitely a profit

Ward - £250k? - definitely a profit
PVA - £13 million - could go either way really
Sakho - £20m - as above, if we had interest now probably profit
Tomkins - £10m? - same as Sakho

Zaha - £6m - massive profit
Townsend £10m? - definite profit

Luka -£10m??? - only reason we might not is contract
Schlupp - £12m? - difficult to say but possible loss
McArthur - £8m - would say profit although age?
Meyer - free - obviously profit

Benteke - £25m? - big loss.
Sorloth - £9m - at the moment loss but who knows

Just a few but clearly a shit article if it says only two players would make any profit!!!
How do those rose tinted glass fit?

Sakho was £30m and clearly not an investment. Other than Wilf the only young investment in that list is Ward at the time and Meyer. We should be bringing players in 5hat are actually.going to push for the 1st team in the David Brooks mold, instead of constantly wasting wages on PL "experience".
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It's a difficult balancing act. The long term future also largely depends on short term, ie. staying up each season. Put your trust in unproven young talent and you may make big profits or they might sink, the club could go down and then any long term plans wouod fly out the window. And so far we have managed to do that with the approach we've used and plenty of others haven't.

Yes we have often gone for players with some Premier league experience which hasn't brought us huge profits in player sales but had kept us up 6 times now. And when we got promoted in 2013 did many of us think we would stay up this long? In the bigger picture I think that's a huge achievement.
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Isn’t long term thinking in the EPL a myth?

Chelsea been the prime example, chop and change managers for fun, but the most successful team in the last ten years.

The truth is the EPL, you are only ever 9 months away from disaster and relegation. Any plans you do then have are then non and void.

There is an excellent chapter in the “State of play” book by Michael Calvin which discusses the “Watford way”, a club which actively operates and encourages short term thinking.
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That's not it at all. I just don't see the logic in signing a goalkeeper who's never going to improve over one who we could develop to potentially be our 'keeper for the next 10+ years.

It's not like we haven't had time to line one up.

It just stinks of a lack of planning, which has been evident at the club for some time now.
Presumably that young, talented keeper wasn't available /affordable. Peri for example would have taken a few million out of our budget for a striker.

Also, i can see a lot of logic in wanting an older more experienced head available to come in should we have a goalkeeping injury crisis.

Lastly if that young keeper was 3rd choice, not even playing in cup games would he be likely to develop and improve in the way you would hope?

I'm very comfortable with the signing and think the logic is pretty clear.
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Have we honestly had the chance?

Fair amount of fire-fighting each year(and again this year)
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One last point, I think there have been a number of young signings. Wickham, Kelly, Hennessey, Zaha, Gayle, Jach even Mutch were all relatively young when signed. Some didn't make it long and some have given us years of excellent service.
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I think we're at a crossroad currently. We finally seem to be treading water more efficiently than we have done in what has been a fairly boom bust cycle for the 6 years we have been back in the Premier League, going on either amazing runs of victories or bitter defeats.

We've gone through a who's who of relegation specialists, we've tried to be bold with a total football revolution that fell flat on its face as quickly as it started, finally ending up with a manager that I do believe we are very lucky to have. A manager with the pragmatism needed to keep us in the premier league whilst also playing a fairly attractive style of football.

Roy isn't without criticism granted, however we currently have the perfect custodian for a move towards a more stable future. For me the question isn't only just about transfers, it's about the very direction we want the club to take, from the academy to new signings to the next line of future managers.

Dougie coming in as DOF was the first step we've taken towards having some continuity, and it is hard to know for sure whether he'll be a success but I do believe he's done okay currently. He's been part of a period of moving on dead wood, filling holes in the squad on a relative shoestring budget and he's done pretty well all things considered. The squad is in pretty good shape currently, much better than it has been in seasons gone by and it only really requires a few signings to push on. A right back, left back, striker and a winger and we'd be left with a very balanced squad to build on.

This window is a big one for us though and will require some clever signings for the above to be successful. If we achieve that, we'll be in a far stronger position to phase out older players in the following seasons.

Where we go after Roy is the real interesting part though, but one that I think has a pretty simple answer. Sean Dyche. He's shown pragmatism, the ability to get a squad performing beyond the relative capability of the talent playing for him, ability to be able to keep a side in the Premier League and the willingness to build something long term. He also appears to be coming towards the end of his stint there, with lack of investment finally looking as though they won't be able to push on any further with lack of signings. If Roy retires next season he would probably be the safest bet all things considered even with reservations about brand of football.

Chris Wilder would be another option I'd consider if Sheffield United go down this season. Either of these managers would offer a blend of pragmatism alongside willingness to build that would probably suit us well.
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That's a good thing though, surely?

1) It means they're playing bloody well for us
2) We pocket a load of cash to re-invest in more young players

It's a sustainable model.

We should be looking to spend the AWB cash on the likes of Konsa, Watkins, Adams (too late) etc. Even if they didn't live up to the hype we'd still make our money back. Look at Tyrone Mings as a prime example. Bournemouth signed him for £8m, he got a serious injury on his debut, barely played for the club again, went on loan to the Championship and now they're selling him to Villa for £26m.

We have a decent starting 11 but I'd love to see us back that up with some good young players. Konsa as back-up for Tomkins/Sakho, Watkins as back up for Wilf/Andros etc. Build something for the future.
Yes. We came up on the back of a striker who scored thirty goals but was injured and a winger who had left. We had no idea how to fashion a goal except from counter attacking with pace and survived by spoiling the game and doing smash and grab. Over time, we've slowly evolved to a team that can retain possession and score goals through wing play but not much else. We had to do it that way for the first few years because the squad was too technically deficient to make wholesale changes. We tried to leap forward as a culture with the introduction of FDB but the players and funding just wasn't in place at the time.

The point is that we've advanced to the point where we should be able to stop buying sticking plasters for holes and build for the future. Even if Zaha goes the funds to seriously rebuild should be there. Should he stay, the AWB money should allow at least a couple of punts on potential talent to happen, as well as hopefully a loan for a striker like Bats. We can go forward. The question is whether we want to start down a road of technical and youthful progression. The funny things is now is the time for a manager like FDB, assuming we buy a cultured CM and winger with an eye to the future.
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Isn’t long term thinking in the EPL a myth?

Chelsea been the prime example, chop and change managers for fun, but the most successful team in the last ten years.
That’s just their managers, and I think a club with the riches and success of Chelsea are very different, as they’re far less reliant on player sales as a form of revenue. They also can afford to buy young players with potential to improve that are also established. For example, Hazard, David Luiz, Azpilicueta, Mata, Schurrle and many more were young when Chelsea bought them, but were already well known stars good enough to go straight into their first team.

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Players we are linked with: Bolton Goalkeeper (Who did Dougie Manage?): Sign Henderson who was at Forest (Who did Dougie Manage?)

Our scouting is predictable
Is that true. Jesus how bloody lazy

I may be in the minority but I just don't understand how the 3rd choice keeper cant be promoted from u21s or something. How often does a 3rd team keeper get minutes? Surely it's more beneficial to have one of our youngsters promoted to 3rd choice or on the odd occasion sit on the bench if 1st team keeper is injured. It's got to be an ideal scenario. If our young keepers really aren't good enough to fulfil this bit part role then there is something really wrong
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Is that true. Jesus how bloody lazy

I may be in the minority but I just don't understand how the 3rd choice keeper cant be promoted from u21s or something. How often does a 3rd team keeper get minutes? Surely it's more beneficial to have one of our youngsters promoted to 3rd choice or on the odd occasion sit on the bench if 1st team keeper is injured. It's got to be an ideal scenario. If our young keepers really aren't good enough to fulfil this bit part role then there is something really wrong
Totally agreed, if they're not ready to step up as 3rd choice, will they ever be ready
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There is an excellent chapter in the “State of play” book by Michael Calvin which discusses the “Watford way”, a club which actively operates and encourages short term thinking.
You mention Watford: They definitely place value in taking punts on unproven young players every now and then, hence Will Hughes, Chalobah, Richarlison, Doucoure, Isaac Success etc
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I may be in the minority but I just don't understand how the 3rd choice keeper cant be promoted from u21s or something. How often does a 3rd team keeper get minutes? Surely it's more beneficial to have one of our youngsters promoted to 3rd choice or on the odd occasion sit on the bench if 1st team keeper is injured. It's got to be an ideal scenario. If our young keepers really aren't good enough to fulfil this bit part role then there is something really wrong
That completely depends on how good the keeper in your U23s (which I presume is what you mean) actually is. Where they are in terms of both ability and mentality. It's way too simplistic to say we should promote a keeper from the youth regardless of who they are.

Also, as you rightly point out a 3rd keeper rarely gets many or even any minutes. How is a youngster going to develop without game time? Better to send them on loan to play competitive football while an older head in on the sidelines in my opinion.

As for being lazy. How do you reach that conclusion rather than saying Dougie is being smart and using his contacts and relationships with people to get good deals for the club? How do we even know it was Dougie who recommended him anyway? I'm sure Dean Kiely will know about most Championship goalkeepers and many below that level too. Maybe he suggested Henderson?

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Totally agreed, if they're not ready to step up as 3rd choice, will they ever be ready
No, most of our U23 keepers, like most of our U23 players in every position won't ever be ready for professional 1st team football. Very, very few will ever be ready for Premier League football. That's the point.
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