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Man United signed Lee Grant at 34/35 to be their 3rd keeper in 2018 for £1.5m. What a shambles.

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Man United signed Lee Grant at 34/35 to be their 3rd keeper in 2018 for £1.5m. What a shambles.

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Yep, they are a shambles, no one would argue against that.

Although being the richest club in the world in terms of commercial revenue, they’re not exactly as reliant on taking punts on unproven young players to generate money.
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That failure of a club Chelsea signed Rob Green to be theirs at 38! Hopeless! That's why they never win anything.
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Players we are linked with: Bolton Goalkeeper (Who did Dougie Manage?): Sign Henderson who was at Forest (Who did Dougie Manage?)

Our scouting is predictable
You've picked one player and made a sweeping generalisation. What about, recently:

Guaita
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Did any of them play for clubs Dougie has managed??
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That failure of a club Chelsea signed Rob Green to be theirs at 38! Hopeless! That's why they never win anything.
Yeah, I know right. Where’s the money coming from if not their profits from young, unproven signings? Russian oligarchs and premier league titles and top 4 finishes pay a pittance.
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(I have no problem with us signing Henderson, but I will call out the ridiculousness of comparing us to Chelsea and Man United, even if it’s done in jest).
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Presumably that young, talented keeper wasn't available /affordable. Peri for example would have taken a few million out of our budget for a striker.

Also, i can see a lot of logic in wanting an older more experienced head available to come in should we have a goalkeeping injury crisis.

Lastly if that young keeper was 3rd choice, not even playing in cup games would he be likely to develop and improve in the way you would hope?

I'm very comfortable with the signing and think the logic is pretty clear.
I think the point is we needed a keeper who was happy to be third choice. A young up and coming keeper would want to be pushing for a starting place, and would cost a lot more.
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No, most of our U23 keepers, like most of our U23 players in every position won't ever be ready for professional 1st team football. Very, very few will ever be ready for Premier League football. That's the point.
We're not asking him to play every week. So you're telling me an u23 cant continue to play for u23s then move up when require to fill in as sub?
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That’s just their managers, and I think a club with the riches and success of Chelsea are very different, as they’re far less reliant on player sales as a form of revenue. They also can afford to buy young players with potential to improve that are also established. For example, Hazard, David Luiz, Azpilicueta, Mata, Schurrle and many more were young when Chelsea bought them, but were already well known stars good enough to go straight into their first team.
Their 5 year transfer record suggests otherwise:

Bought £735m (2nd highest in the league)
Sold £445m (highest in the league)

They do have a policy of stocking up on young talent, loaning them out and then hopefully selling them on for a good profit to buy ready established talent.
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Their 5 year transfer record suggests otherwise:

Bought £735m (2nd highest in the league)
Sold £445m (highest in the league)

They do have a policy of stocking up on young talent, loaning them out and then hopefully selling them on for a good profit to buy ready established talent.
Don’t think I denied that in my post? My point was that they don’t need to take punts on unproven young players anywhere near as much as we do, as they have more money from other sources. Sure they do sell on academy kids for a good profit, but take the sales of Hazard, Oscar, Costa, Matic, Schurrle, David Luiz, Courtois etc etc out, all established stars when Chelsea bought them, and it doesn’t look anywhere near as impressive.
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That's not it at all. I just don't see the logic in signing a goalkeeper who's never going to improve over one who we could develop to potentially be our 'keeper for the next 10+ years.

It's not like we haven't had time to line one up.

It just stinks of a lack of planning, which has been evident at the club for some time now.
The way to develop an up and coming goalkeeper is to loan him out so that he gets competitive games. He will not develop just doing goalkeeping drill in training.
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I think the point is we needed a keeper who was happy to be third choice. A young up and coming keeper would want to be pushing for a starting place, and would cost a lot more.
Yep. All of that.
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Presumably that young, talented keeper wasn't available /affordable. Peri for example would have taken a few million out of our budget for a striker.
We've just received £45m for a right-back so I'm not sure that excuse washes. Plus, as I've already said it's not just about the third choice 'keeper, it's about our overall transfer strategy.

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Lastly if that young keeper was 3rd choice, not even playing in cup games would he be likely to develop and improve in the way you would hope?
I'd like to think we could identify a young 'keeper good enough to challenge Wayne Hennessey for the #2 spot at the very least. We are a Premier League club after all.

Like I said, it's not just about this one position. It's our overall approach.

People have made fair points regarding Chelsea/Watford etc., although I'd argue Chelsea have a lot more money to spend and Watford have the benefit of their owners having their fingers in other pies, opening up a whole new market of players.
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Man United signed Lee Grant at 34/35 to be their 3rd keeper in 2018 for £1.5m. What a shambles.

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They don't have an ageing 'keeper as #1 and Wayne Hennessey as #2 though.
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We're not asking him to play every week. So you're telling me an u23 cant continue to play for u23s then move up when require to fill in as sub?
He wouldn't learn much playing for U23s every week though. If we have an U23 keeper with a genuine chance of making it with us I would rather they went out on loan and played competitive men's football lower down the football ladder.
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It mainly went wrong when we bought Benteke and Sakho in a 12 month period on 4 year contracts that will eventually cost us nearer £100m in total. Having 4 players on £100k plus a week in a mid/ lower table side also didn't help.

However, we have survived and hopefully more lessons have been learned.
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We've just received £45m for a right-back so I'm not sure that excuse washes. Plus, as I've already said it's not just about the third choice 'keeper, it's about our overall transfer strategy.



I'd like to think we could identify a young 'keeper good enough to challenge Wayne Hennessey for the #2 spot at the very least. We are a Premier League club after all.

Like I said, it's not just about this one position. It's our overall approach.

People have made fair points regarding Chelsea/Watford etc., although I'd argue Chelsea have a lot more money to spend and Watford have the benefit of their owners having their fingers in other pies, opening up a whole new market of players.
A good new striker will cost a lot of money. The extra few million will definitely help.
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The way to develop an up and coming goalkeeper is to loan him out so that he gets competitive games. He will not develop just doing goalkeeping drill in training.
I agree. If we were to sign Henderson as #3 plus another young 'keeper with a view to loaning out/developing (Perri?) then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Maybe that's the plan, but I wouldn't bank on it.
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A good new striker will cost a lot of money. The extra few million will definitely help.
Come on Eddie. It would probably cost the club the equivalent of Bakary Sako's yearly wage to identify and sign a promising lower league goalkeeper.

With £45m in the bank that excuse does not wash I'm afraid.
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They don't have an ageing 'keeper as #1 and Wayne Hennessey as #2 though.
He's 32 ffs. That's coming into his peak years, it's like an outfield player being 24. Jeez.
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