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Old 11-11-2019, 09:42 AM
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Even in our run of wins at Stamford Bridge Palace were forced to defend for the majority of the games.

On Saturday we were still in the game until their second goal killed us off and the injury to Joel Ward changed the game as Guaita had hardly had to make a save up until then and apart from a string of dangerous free-kicks Chelsea had created very little to trouble our well marshalled defence.

Palace knowing the form that Chelsea are in and the strength of their attack were never going to play expansive football as our lack of pace at the back would have been cruelly exposed.

Chelsea scored two goals after Joel was substituted, the first one was fractionally onside and the second one was when a lucky deflection looped straight to their forward to head home at a time when Palace were very much still in the game.

Imagine the meltdown if we had lost 4-0 after having adopted a gung ho approach to the game against such a dangerous opponent in a great run of form.

These top opponents will hurt you if you let them as they have spent millions on getting where they are in the league literally buying success.

Palace due to the size of the club and FFP are not able to compete with this and it will take a miracle or the scrapping of FFP before Palace can afford the flair players that us fans crave to have in the team to level the playing field and until that time we have to adopt a damage limitation approach when playing the top clubs.

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Old 11-11-2019, 10:04 AM
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If we are so bad as some claim how come we already have 15 points and are effectively 8 points clear of the relegation places having already played 7 of our potentially most difficult matches if you include the Man United and Spurs away games.

I am very happy that we have 15 points in the bag after such a daunting start to the season and this stands us in good stead for the rest of the season as we have many more winnable games to come than a run of games against the top teams that we are expected to lose.

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I think you are missing the point . I will always follow Palace and like you I agree having 15 points is an achievement for us . The issue people are talking about is that for most games we are very pragmatic and dull to watch . With all the money in the Premier league surely we should expect a bit more entertainment .
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:10 AM
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Even in our run of wins at Stamford Bridge Palace were forced to defend for the majority of the games.

On Saturday we were still in the game until their second goal killed us off and the injury to Joel Ward changed the game as Guaita had hardly had to make a save up until then and apart from a string of dangerous free-kicks Chelsea had created very little to trouble our well marshalled defence.

Palace knowing the form that Chelsea are in and the strength of their attack were never going to play expansive football as our lack of pace at the back would have been cruelly exposed.

Chelsea scored two goals after Joel was substituted, the first one was fractionally onside and the second one was when a lucky deflection looped straight to their forward to head home at a time when Palace were very much still in the game.

Imagine the meltdown if we had lost 4-0 after having adopted a gung ho approach to the game against such a dangerous opponent in a great run of form.

These top opponents will hurt you if you let them as they have spent millions on getting where they are in the league literally buying success.

Palace due to the size of the club and FFP are not able to compete with this and it will take a miracle or the scrapping of FFP before Palace can afford the flair players that us fans crave to have in the team to level the playing field and until that time we have to adopt a damage limitation approach when playing the top clubs.

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You do not have to have a gung ho approach ( there is a middle ground ) . Even when we have chance to counter attack our midfield seem to reluctant to support Zaha / Townsend and just stay in the rigid formation we have .
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:16 AM
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The Chelsea result would have been 6-0 if Palace had been more attacking.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:17 AM
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It's not just a goalscorer we need it's some creative and dynamic midfielders were far to pedestrian would any of our players run at defences like the game tonite
I am not sure Roy will ever start games with creative midfielders unfortunately, it's just not his style. Failing that I think his 4-3-3 would be transformed by a pacier, more attacking right-back, a more direct replacement for Andros and a striker like Morelos that will run the channels and also offer a threat in the box. That would make us much more difficult to cope with I reckon.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:18 AM
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Anything that results in shots on goal.

Can't stand tippy-tappy football with no end product or camping in your own half and hoping you might score from a set piece.

Getting the ball forward quickly to your wingers/striker and loading people into the box is what's most likely to work for us, but we'll never see that under Roy. We did it brilliantly under Pulis TBF.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:22 AM
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It was fascinating watching the ‘Team of the 80’s’ documentary recently.

There was Malcolm Allison, holding court on the ‘World Cup Panel’ which I presume was nearly 50 years ago now during the 1970 Mexico World Cup.

He actually made the point about Italian football being so desperately boring as it centred around being extremely defensive, that if the big clubs in England played that way, hardly anyone would want to watch.

Here we are in 2019 and good old Roy is a disciple of the defensive side of the game that Big Mal despised half a century ago!

Of course the draw back with Malcolm’s take on the game was that our players from his time at Palace, were not quite on the same page when it came to his progressive and expansive style and we frequently used to get gubbed by the mighty Halifax, Grimsby or Aldershot by two or three goals as the Palace players tried to take in his complex instructions.

Having watched the mess of a side we had in the early 80’s under Mullery, with players like John Lacey and Tommy Langley who couldn’t trap a bag of cement, it was a kind of relief when Steve Coppell took over in 1984 - but the football was so basic, it didn’t actually fit in with Big Mal’s philosophy either.

‘Route one for glory’ a big punt from George Wood in the Palace goal or or our big Gaelic footballer centre half Kenny O’Doherty, Gavin Nebbeling or Gary O’Reilly, straight onto the head of Trevor Aylott or Phil Barber up front, completely bypassing the midfield skills of Andy Gray or Glenn Pennyfather was the most excitement we got in those early days.

Then people like Wright, Bright, Salako and McGoldrick arrived on the scene and we got exciting wingplay as well as the 80 yard rugby flyhack from our defenders to wet our appetite.

It was football Jim, but not as we know it. I guess the answer lies in the fact that every manager has his own philosophy and will stick to what he feels will work, regardless of what the paying public think of his methods.
One big change from the 1980s is that the quality of the pitches has improved massively. In those days, it was often a muddy mess, especially in the goal mouth. Much easier to display skills, and much harder to nullify them, in these times of all-season high quality grass.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:42 AM
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Bad officials did not dominate the outcome of games and changes to the rules especially offside and hand-ball decisions mean that the game has changed beyond all recognition from the 80's, add in the need for success and the game is not what it used to be.

The money at stake in the Premier League puts enormous pressure on managers to keep their team in the league and take far fewer risks than when the stakes were not so high before the Premier League money ruined the game.

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Old 11-11-2019, 10:51 AM
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The Chelsea result would have been 6-0 if Palace had been more attacking.
What a wonderful result, proberly would of been our greatest ever 😁
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