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Agree that we do need some new signings this transfer window. A forward and a number 10.
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When all's said and done, we all know the need to strengthen each season. I honestly think that 2010+ will use this season to remain in the premier league (pretty well done) for the bigger payout next season. Then, coupled with rebuilding costs we will know exactly how much can be invested into a Europe qualifying team. So hold on to your hats BBS for the not unusual bumpy ride into next season.
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Thank God someone else is saying it. We need a passer MORE than a striker and it's been the case since promotion. No striker would have scored given today's service and on several days this year. We have brought a truly predatory striker like Gayle and wasted his development then spent 9m on a player that enhances our system but can never paper over the cracks of what is wrong. Alan Shearer couldn't.

The fact is, our system is based on one thing only; give it to the flanks and hope for a decent cross in or a penalty. If Bolasie / Wilf / Sako are injured or off form then we have no plan B. Apart from making us predictable and inept against deep -sitting defences, there have been many times when strikers like Gayle and even Campbell have made runs into space to find an incisive pass wasn't even attempted and that, instead, the ball gets sent sideways for Wilf or Bolasie to do something.

We can't be so reliant on the performances of wingers who, let's be honest, have scored a couple of goals and won penalties but have yet to reliably create assists. Our midfield has been even worse in terms of making chances for the centre forwards. Can't think of a single great through ball this season or even last season. Bizarre for a Premiership team.

We simply cannot service a striker. The stats prove it. We have scraped a lot of results this year but now it's going the other way and we can't complain. Short of us really shaking up how we approach things, we can't expect a tight defence, good set plays and the odd penalty to keep earning us results in the top division. We are kidding ourselves if we think we are a Babacar or Slimani away from top seven and that's if they wanted to come, given our system. If I was a classy striker, I'd choose a Swansea, Bournemouth or Southampton every time rather than join a team that only wants me to recieve the ball with my back to goal and makes its wingers the focal point of attack instead of me. I'd want to know why I can't have a decent through ball. I'm sure Dwight Gayle has been asking himself that question all season long.

I think we will do well to finish top ten unless we address the fact we cannot carve out chances except from the flanks and that requires at least one new player with some vision, preferably before we blow fortunes on a striker used to having someone play him in on goal.
Great post and completely agree. Last night showed that we really need a midfield option, rather than being completely reliant on Cabaye. Ledley does not help us retain possession of the ball and in recent games, neither has McArthur. Someone who can pass the ball to play alongside Cabaye, with McArthur running terrier-like from end to end would be fantastic. It is lamentable that Pards has said we definitely won't be signing a midfielder. Just have to hope we can win 3 or 4 games before the end of the season, then bring in a couple of good signings in the summer. (Hopefully Cabaye won't see a lack of ambition and hand in a transfer request in the meantime, but it must be a risk.)
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When all's said and done, we all know the need to strengthen each season. I honestly think that 2010+ will use this season to remain in the premier league (pretty well done) for the bigger payout next season. Then, coupled with rebuilding costs we will know exactly how much can be invested into a Europe qualifying team. So hold on to your hats BBS for the not unusual bumpy ride into next season.
Spot on. Unless someone of real quality and value is avail and in Jan that's difficult, go with what we've got and hit the summer market hard and early
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Why do we urgently need players?

Most people would have taken 8th and a cup run f offered it back in August, we have done well and now people get greedy.

We have several members of our best matchday 18 out injured, others not match fit and the depth of our squad is showing. If we blow all our budget chasing poor deal in January we might blow the opportunity to add quality depth in the summer when better deals are generally available.
Nobody's being 'greedy' at all, pretty obvious to some of us that we lack quality where it matters and can't cope with injuries. Count ourselves lucky that other clubs have faltered, we don't score enough goals and won't get away with it much longer.

League position is great, but we won't maintain it.

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Nobody's being 'greedy' at all, pretty obvious to some of us that we lack quality where it matters and can't cope with injuries. Count ourselves lucky that other clubs have faltered, we don't score enough goals and won't get away with it much longer.

League position is great, but we won't maintain it.
Spot on. No goals in four League games, all against opponents near the bottom of the table and not a single goal from a striker from open play all season is why we need to strengthen. Unless we want to finish lower than last season and see the second best player we have ever had desperate to get away from a club that lacks ambition!
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I have said this many times before, we became complacent whilst the system of having Bolasie and Zaha on the wings causing mayhem was working and we became dependent on it, which is fully understandable.
But there would come a time when through injuries we would need to be flexible with that formation, and true to form Bolasie gets injured and we struggle to an extent none of us may have expected. This is where an alternative system would have helped, instead we tried to replicate Bolasie with Puncheon on the wing, a different and much less effective type who totally lacks the pace YB gives us. However in defence of AP we could say it was unfortunate to lose Sako as well at that time, who would have been a more suitable replacement and possibly could have kept that momentum going.
Also what covered over the cracks was whilst we stayed free of injuries, and with the advantage our Central Defenders being outstanding, coupled with the stunning form of Zaha and Bolasie, and with Cabaye then functioning at his best, meant we were in an unbelievable position in the table. But it was always going to be a fragile position without having an attack to complement, and so it is proving.
I was very disappointed with Pardew's transfer comments recently, stating we WONT look at any other area to strengthen but just a striker, when we clearly need younger quality cover at CB, a schemer/attacking midfielder capable of supporting the attack, and TWO strikers is a priority, as clearly our current strike force are not up to it.
It may seem a lot for now, but that is what is needed if we are to maintain our excellent start, or accept what may follow in the weeks ahead.
My hope now is we don't let it all fall away, last night's inept performance was unforgivable and the Manager also the players need to accept total responsibility, commitment is needed with every game in this league. As after tonight's games we could be out of the Top 10 in the table, and with City away coming up does not bode well.
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I have said this many times before, we became complacent whilst the system of having Bolasie and Zaha on the wings causing mayhem was working and we became dependent on it, which is fully understandable.
But there would come a time when through injuries we would need to be flexible with that formation, and true to form Bolasie gets injured and we struggle to an extent none of us may have expected. This is where an alternative system would have helped, instead we tried to replicate Bolasie with Puncheon on the wing, a different and much less effective type who totally lacks the pace YB gives us. However in defence of AP we could say it was unfortunate to lose Sako as well at that time, who would have been a more suitable replacement and possibly could have kept that momentum going.
Also what covered over the cracks was whilst we stayed free of injuries, and with the advantage our Central Defenders being outstanding, coupled with the stunning form of Zaha and Bolasie, and with Cabaye then functioning at his best, meant we were in an unbelievable position in the table. But it was always going to be a fragile position without having an attack to complement, and so it is proving.
I was very disappointed with Pardew's transfer comments recently, stating we WONT look at any other area to strengthen but just a striker, when we clearly need younger quality cover at CB, a schemer/attacking midfielder capable of supporting the attack, and TWO strikers is a priority, as clearly our current strike force are not up to it.
It may seem a lot for now, but that is what is needed if we are to maintain our excellent start, or accept what may follow in the weeks ahead.
My hope now is we don't let it all fall away, last night's inept performance was unforgivable and the Manager also the players need to accept total responsibility, commitment is needed with every game in this league. As after tonight's games we could be out of the Top 10 in the table, and with City away coming up does not bode well.
Very good post and I agree wholeheartedly.

The only thing with bringing in so many signings is I believe were restricted on doing so much business due to FFP. Also the younger centre half (which we really need) could possibly hold off until the summer when the market becomes more viable to buy.
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Huge shock - bad run (and seemingly very poor performance last night) leads to multiple "we're doomed" "drop xyz" threads on BBS.

Having said that, Pardew's comments post match and at the weekend were right and show that we are trying to address the issues we have. Other than looking for cover at CB we have no great issues at the back, we have only conceded more than one goal three times all season - WHU when we were down to 10 men, City in the L Cup and Chelsea who were on an upturn. Of course a few are shouting for a new keeper 'cos Hennessy made an error but he has won us a lot of other points so far and some people go knee jerk early these days.

The issue we have increasing faced is a lack of a cutting edge - Yala is a huge loss not just because of his own performances but also because he gives space for Wilf to play as there are two threats all the time for defenders to worry about. The conundrum is how you get someone good enough to cover for him but equally happy to be on the bench a lot. To me Redmond would be the best solution.

Up front we had 4 strikers all with issues - Wickham with some niggly injuries, Gayle with hamstrings, Campbell with a lack of quality and Bamford seemingly not good enough, wrong for our system and not really integrating very well. Add in the now permanent sick note of Chamakh and the poor form of Puncheon (again influenced by the lack of space he gets without Yala in the team) and the reason for the past few games is crystal clear. We have reasonable depth in the squad, but only to replace one, maybe two players, not make wholesale changes like we have had to do over the holiday period.

Equally we are obviously looking at new players up front but getting decent value is tough in January.

Someone said that Europe is off the agenda now so lets consolidate - bllx - we are still only 4 points off the Europe League spot, that is a very real goal if we can get the front players firing again.
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When we bought Cabaye, wasn't he the one who was supposed to be able to set up our striker(s) with the killer pass? Would it be ridiculous to play Jedinak, McArthur and Ledley with Cabaye as our No 10, leaving out Puncheon - he gets caught in possession too much this season.
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I have said this many times before, we became complacent whilst the system of having Bolasie and Zaha on the wings causing mayhem was working and we became dependent on it, which is fully understandable.
But there would come a time when through injuries we would need to be flexible with that formation, and true to form Bolasie gets injured and we struggle to an extent none of us may have expected. This is where an alternative system would have helped, instead we tried to replicate Bolasie with Puncheon on the wing, a different and much less effective type who totally lacks the pace YB gives us. However in defence of AP we could say it was unfortunate to lose Sako as well at that time, who would have been a more suitable replacement and possibly could have kept that momentum going.
Also what covered over the cracks was whilst we stayed free of injuries, and with the advantage our Central Defenders being outstanding, coupled with the stunning form of Zaha and Bolasie, and with Cabaye then functioning at his best, meant we were in an unbelievable position in the table. But it was always going to be a fragile position without having an attack to complement, and so it is proving.
I was very disappointed with Pardew's transfer comments recently, stating we WONT look at any other area to strengthen but just a striker, when we clearly need younger quality cover at CB, a schemer/attacking midfielder capable of supporting the attack, and TWO strikers is a priority, as clearly our current strike force are not up to it.
It may seem a lot for now, but that is what is needed if we are to maintain our excellent start, or accept what may follow in the weeks ahead.
My hope now is we don't let it all fall away, last night's inept performance was unforgivable and the Manager also the players need to accept total responsibility, commitment is needed with every game in this league. As after tonight's games we could be out of the Top 10 in the table, and with City away coming up does not bode well.
If you listen to what AP said - it was that we were looking at "offensive" type players - that doesn't cover just strikers but also attacking midfield/wide players.

As for dropping down the table - yes City and Spurs are tough games but after that we have a run of 5 very winnable games through until the start of March which would put us right up there again is Yala is fit and we make a couple of good buys/loans.
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When we bought Cabaye, wasn't he the one who was supposed to be able to set up our striker(s) with the killer pass? Would it be ridiculous to play Jedinak, McArthur and Ledley with Cabaye as our No 10, leaving out Puncheon - he gets caught in possession too much this season.
Cabaye has been best by far playing in the middle rather than further forward.
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When we bought Cabaye, wasn't he the one who was supposed to be able to set up our striker(s) with the killer pass? Would it be ridiculous to play Jedinak, McArthur and Ledley with Cabaye as our No 10, leaving out Puncheon - he gets caught in possession too much this season.
Cabaye when he has played the advance role hasn't been especially good though.

Plus splitting up the Jimmy Mac/Cabaye partnership in central midfield could have unintended consequences in terms of pressure on our back 4

Neither Jedi or Ledley are as comfortable on the ball, or as good passers of the ball as the aforementioned.

It is the number 10 position, not a new striker which is the priority, obviously one of each would be wonderful but we need to be realistic with the inflated January prices which are being quoted
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When we bought Cabaye, wasn't he the one who was supposed to be able to set up our striker(s) with the killer pass? Would it be ridiculous to play Jedinak, McArthur and Ledley with Cabaye as our No 10, leaving out Puncheon - he gets caught in possession too much this season.
You didnt watch the game last night did you? Last night has put to bed the nonsense that Cabye should be played further forward. He has been in the top 10 midfielders in the league playing the deeper role yet people kept calling for him to be played further forward.
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He looked like an athlete to, a requirement for the Prem league!
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I think we should try getting both a No10 and a striker. We don't have anyone in our central offense with international quality.

I'd try to get players like Sigurdsson as a 10 and maybe loaning Kramaric from Leicester. He didn't get enough time there, but I'm quite sure he's better than all of our strikers.
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When all's said and done, we all know the need to strengthen each season. I honestly think that 2010+ will use this season to remain in the premier league (pretty well done) for the bigger payout next season. Then, coupled with rebuilding costs we will know exactly how much can be invested into a Europe qualifying team. So hold on to your hats BBS for the not unusual bumpy ride into next season.
This season will be the biggest opportunity for a team like us, West Ham, Leicester to have a chance of qualifying for Europe for a long time. Chelsea, United, Liverpool and probably Everton and Southampton will invest massively this summer and leave us behind if we don't get near to Europe this season. It's only due to 'bigger' clubs underachieving that we find ourselves in this position. So if there's a chance that significant improvements in AM and ST are available in this window, we should pay whatever it takes to get them in. I'm talking someone like Babacar and Redmond (perhaps as part of a Gayle and Jedinak double deal?). I'd even try to get someone like Ayew in from Villa, maybe Naismith from Everton.

Get players like that in and it will create much needed competition in the squad and will give the likes of Punch, Sako, Zaha, Campbell and Chamakh, a royal kick up the arse.

If the right player doesn't become available, then I don't think there's any point in spending millions on average players (we've got enough of them), but it will be tough to keep up with the top clubs if we don't start acting now.
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When we bought Cabaye, wasn't he the one who was supposed to be able to set up our striker(s) with the killer pass? Would it be ridiculous to play Jedinak, McArthur and Ledley with Cabaye as our No 10, leaving out Puncheon - he gets caught in possession too much this season.
Yes. As seen yesterday Cabaye is wasted at number 10. He was brought in to dictate play from the back.. Which he does.. Issue is we haven't got anyone to create ahead of him.. Punch did last year but not this year.
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I actually think Puncheon is our only player (and possibly Chamakh) who is on the same "wavelength" as Cabaye. Yesterday, Wilf made a run down the right, Cabaye threaded a ball through into the box but Wilf didn't run on to it. Shame it wasn't Puncheon rather than Wilf. What I'm saying is, we need to sign a winger with a better "footballing brain".
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