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Old 17-05-2017, 08:22 AM
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I think you'll find Britain was the first to outlaw the slave trade and then the navy actively tried to stop others doing it in Africa. Do I give a shyte, no, its 200yrs ago and nothing to do with me, if you feel the need to self flagellate over it feel free but don't expect anyone else to feel responsible or even apologetic.

Imperialism, so what a thing of the past stop hang wringing and get over it.

Brexit and imperialism may be linked in a fuddled mind but the issues are of the here and now.
Who makes the laws, Cash subsidies and immigration.

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Old 17-05-2017, 08:28 AM
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Still talking about the slave trade. sigh
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Old 17-05-2017, 08:34 AM
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Still talking about the slave trade. sigh
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Old 17-05-2017, 08:51 AM
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Lucrative EU Austerity loans are causing Strikes in Greece ,
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The country has fallen back into recession for the first time since 2012, according to figures that emerged on Tuesday.

Gross domestic product (GDP) fell by 0.1% in the first three months of 2017 after shrinking by 1.2% in the final quarter of last year.



Hospitals, transport services and government offices across Greece have been severely affected by a general strike over new austerity measures.

Industrial action began on Tuesday but has now been ramped up nationally by members of the big trade unions.

Ferry services and buses have been halted and air-traffic controllers will stop work for four hours.

MPs are set to vote on controversial reforms on Thursday that will cut pensions and end tax breaks.

The left-wing Syriza government needs to make further savings before eurozone finance ministers agree to hand over further loan cash as part of its latest bailout deal.




The new measures will not come into force until 2019 and 2020 but Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras has to persuade eurozone finance ministers next Monday to provide the next loan instalment of €7.5bn (6.4bn; $8.2bn

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We want to send a decisive message to the government, the European Union and the International Monetary Fund that we will not let them cut up our lives," Alekos Perrakis, a senior member of Communist union PAME, told reporters.

The mobilisation is aimed against new pension and tax break cuts forced on Greece by its EU-IMF creditors in return for bailout cash.

Overall, the bill to be approved on Thursday night entails 4.9 billion euros ($5.4 billion) in cuts in 2018-2021, state agency ANA said.

The leftist government of Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras grudgingly accepted to legislate another round of pension cuts and lower tax breaks -- applicable in 2019 and 2020 respectively -- to unlock the cash payment ahead of looming debt repayments in July.

The tax break cut on its own "is tantamount to losing one-and-a-half (months') salary," Perrakis said.

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Old 17-05-2017, 09:48 AM
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Greece is the only EU country that will have worse growth in real income than the UK according to the governments own figures.
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I was reading a an old gardening magazine from december and it mentioned that the EU now wants to ban the slow release fertilizers that all gardener centres and nurserys use, another barmy decision that will put up the price of plants

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Greece is the only EU country that will have worse growth in real income than the UK according to the governments own figures.
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Old 17-05-2017, 09:57 AM
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We want to send a decisive message to the government, the European Union and the International Monetary Fund that we will not let them cut up our lives," Alekos Perrakis, a senior member of Communist union PAME, told reporters.

The mobilisation is aimed against new pension and tax break cuts forced on Greece by its EU-IMF creditors in return for bailout cash.

Overall, the bill to be approved on Thursday night entails 4.9 billion euros ($5.4 billion) in cuts in 2018-2021, state agency ANA said.

The leftist government of Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras grudgingly accepted to legislate another round of pension cuts and lower tax breaks -- applicable in 2019 and 2020 respectively -- to unlock the cash payment ahead of looming debt repayments in July.

The tax break cut on its own "is tantamount to losing one-and-a-half (months') salary," Perrakis said.
Leave the EMU and create your own money Mr Greece
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Old 17-05-2017, 10:06 AM
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First quarter of 2017 300,000 individuals in the UK were served County Court notices for debt defaults...the highest number for 10 years....a standard of living crisis bought about by inflation as a result of the Brexiters vote and a collapse in wage rises is to blame...private personal debt is the only thing keeping the economy growing but that is coming to an end..the crisis is growing and Brexiters will fuel it even more
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First quarter of 2017 300,000 individuals in the UK were served County Court notices for debt defaults...the highest number for 10 years....a standard of living crisis bought about by inflation as a result of the Brexiters vote and a collapse in wage rises is to blame...private personal debt is the only thing keeping the economy growing but that is coming to an end..the crisis is growing and Brexiters will fuel it even more
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That's always been the case with easy and cheap borrowing , Why do you think interest rates are so low and borrowing so easy ? The same mistakes that led to the Creditcrunch are still being made , Only difference now is the interest rates can't go lower , The rich elites have protected themselves , The rest of us are on borrowed time , The more frightening Creditcrunch 2 is on it's way Brexit didn't cause this mess , infact it has probably given the UK a short reprieve and more control .

The Car loans are criminal , If 100Os default on payments there will be a huge price fall in car prices due to over supply .

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That's always been the case with easy and cheap borrowing , Why do you think interest rates are so low and borrowing so easy ? The same mistakes that led to the Creditcrunch are still being made , Only difference now is the interest rates can't go lower , The rich elites have protected themselves , The rest of us are on borrowed time , The more frightening Creditcrunch 2 is on it's way Brexit didn't cause this mess , infact it has probably given the UK a small reprieve and more control .
Credit cards and payday loans are very high interest....you only get low interest if you have a high credit score...Brexit is accelerating the crisis through higher inflation due to the fall in the value of the and by creating vast economic uncertainty
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Old 17-05-2017, 10:32 AM
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That's always been the case with easy and cheap borrowing , Why do you think interest rates are so low and borrowing so easy ? The same mistakes that led to the Creditcrunch are still being made , Only difference now is the interest rates can't go lower , The rich elites have protected themselves , The rest of us are on borrowed time , The more frightening Creditcrunch 2 is on it's way Brexit didn't cause this mess , infact it has probably given the UK a short reprieve and more control .

The Car loans are criminal , If 100Os default on payments there will be a huge price fall in car prices due to over supply .
I'm taking this as a positive sign that you are at last beginning to recognise the consequences of your actions and are attempting to assuage your guilt by posting nonsense like this.
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Old 17-05-2017, 11:01 AM
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Leave the EMU and create your own money Mr Greece
The problem there is that you would have gigantic currency flight and after a currency collapse the Greeks would still have to import oil and gas. Leaving the euro would require the write off of large debts by counries within the eurozone. Some of them like Spain have enough problems of their own. Since much of the debt has been bought by vulture funds then if there were to be a default they would simply take it through the courts. A Greek currency collpase would them pile pressure on their neighbours and we would have a domino effect. The current sitiation isn't working but nor would the alternative. Goodness knows what will happen in the end.
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That's always been the case with easy and cheap borrowing , Why do you think interest rates are so low and borrowing so easy ? The same mistakes that led to the Creditcrunch are still being made , Only difference now is the interest rates can't go lower , The rich elites have protected themselves , The rest of us are on borrowed time , The more frightening Creditcrunch 2 is on it's way Brexit didn't cause this mess , infact it has probably given the UK a short reprieve and more control .

The Car loans are criminal , If 100Os default on payments there will be a huge price fall in car prices due to over supply .
The thing that is beginning to worry now is this. Since 2010 whilst other EU countries have been forced into vicious austerity Britain has not been bound by the 3% debt limit imposed by the Bundsbank dominated ECB. The UK government and citizens have carried on borrowing and created jobs and demand which has benefitted the rest of Europe. This could now be running out of steam and the consumer led focus has left transport and housing under invested. Since I cannot see the EU helping Britain in the same way as we helped them we are on our own. So we have no real choice but to switch our spending from the consumer to infrastructure. A collpase in house prices won't help as it would simply reduce mortgage availablity, unless that is the bank of mum and dad is on standby.
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What does Greece bring to the EU party exactly ? Surely everybody much contribute something somewhere along the line ?
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