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The trouble with Hennessey is that he always makes you feel nervous,but he's one of those players that could move on a play a blinder for someone else
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It is true. I would like us to get a new number 1 but at the same don't think it would be a disaster to have him between the sticks for another season.
Maybe not, but would be a massive oversight by the club. With the amount of wages we could offer and exposure playing in the most watched league in the world, I can't believe we can't entice a top keeper from somewhere.

I'm normally not one to get anxious about getting players in, but I can't actually believe we are 3 weeks away from the start of the season and Hennessey is still our number one.
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Ooh look, Hennessey's mum's come along to defend him

So, anyway, this Zoet guy?
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Maybe not, but would be a massive oversight by the club. With the amount of wages we could offer and exposure playing in the most watched league in the world, I can't believe we can't entice a top keeper from somewhere.

I'm normally not one to get anxious about getting players in, but I can't actually believe we are 3 weeks away from the start of the season and Hennessey is still our number one.
We had one.We let him go.
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Hennessey will be responsible for us being in a relegation battle if we don't replace him. Simple as that really.
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Hennessey will be responsible for us being in a relegation battle if we don't replace him. Simple as that really.
100% ^^^.
Cannot believe we haven't prioritised this position in the last few transfer windows. Instead we have a GK who couldn't make the first team in his previous club, Wolves, and the last club he was first choice at was Yeovil Town.
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Hennessey will be responsible for us being in a relegation battle if we don't replace him. Simple as that really.
In fairness, even if we replace Hennessey, of we don't upgrade anywhere else we will still be in a relegation battle. There is more to it than just him
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Hennessey will be responsible for us being in a relegation battle if we don't replace him. Simple as that really.
We did replace him last year. his replacement did not save us any points, he made an excellent save against Liverpool in a game we still lost and apart from that which saves did he make that won us points last season that you would not expect the keeper to make? On top of that he had the howler of the season al but throwing it in his own net against Burnley, a game we arguably could have won but for that.

Once you have answered that you will need to show how many points Hennessey cost us last season that was the difference between being in a relegation battle and not.

Now i am not going to tell you Hennessey is an amazing keeper, i would happily see someone come in and be given the No.1 gloves from the start as i was last season. However you post is pure ignorance and not based in fact.

Yes it is a position we could improve but he is nowhere near as bad as many on here would have people believe and as last year showed, bringing in a replacement is also no silver bullet.
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We did replace him last year. his replacement did not save us any points, he made an excellent save against Liverpool in a game we still lost and apart from that which saves did he make that won us points last season that you would not expect the keeper to make? On top of that he had the howler of the season al but throwing it in his own net against Burnley, a game we arguably could have won but for that.

Once you have answered that you will need to show how many points Hennessey cost us last season that was the difference between being in a relegation battle and not.

Now i am not going to tell you Hennessey is an amazing keeper, i would happily see someone come in and be given the No.1 gloves from the start as i was last season. However you post is pure ignorance and not based in fact.

Yes it is a position we could improve but he is nowhere near as bad as many on here would have people believe and as last year showed, bringing in a replacement is also no silver bullet.
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Old 21-07-2017, 03:15 PM
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Hennessey will be responsible for us being in a relegation battle if we don't replace him. Simple as that really.
I think that's pretty harsh.
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Ooh look, Hennessey's mum's come along to defend him

So, anyway, this Zoet guy?
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One of the worst ways to judge a goalkeeper, or any player for that matter.
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So, anyway, this Zoet guy?
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The trouble with Hennessey is that he always makes you feel nervous,but he's one of those players that could move on a play a blinder for someone else
Hennessey is a bottom level PL keeper at best, and there is little reason to think he could move and play a blinder for someone else. But he is not near as incompetent as many make out.
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One of the worst ways to judge a goalkeeper, or any player for that matter.
Ordinarily I'd agree, but as the question was about Mandanda not gaining us any points and prove that Hennessey did cost us points, thought it was pertinent the points gained per game. Now unless Mandanda did nothing in those games, how, under what was a shambolic team and in particular defence he gained more points is baffling.
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Hennessey is a bottom level PL keeper at best, and there is little reason to think he could move and play a blinder for someone else. But he is not near as incompetent as many make out.
But incompetent all the same....
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Points per game with Mandanda 1.22
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True, ignores that Mandanda usually played against weaker opposition, only 1 game against the top 4, 2 games against the top 8 so that is not too surprising a difference. Average finishing position of the teams Mandanda played agaist was 12.33 - Hennessey would therefore be 7.67 i think.

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Hennessey 6 from 29
Mandanda 0 from 9

As i said in the previous post, which saves you would not expect a keeper to make did Mandanda make to win us points - if he didn't he overall cost us points.

My only real point was the fallacy of this notion that bringing in a keeper over the summer is going to be a magical solution, we have tried it - it wasn't. if we sign another keeper this summer and they come in, it is possible that Hennessey will still be deemed No.1 or after a time come back in and retain the position. The abuse he gets it utterly ridiculous.

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Hennessey is a bottom level PL keeper at best, and there is little reason to think he could move and play a blinder for someone else. But he is not near as incompetent as many make out.
The problem isn't so much the serious mistakes made, Hennessey at Villa, Mandanda at Burnley, McCarthy against Liverpool, Forster at selhurst etc. these are freak goals. It's the consistent flaws in his technique that have cost us the same goals, and nearly moments with quite some regularity.

Everyone makes mistakes, repeating the same mistakes is a problem and becomes a when not if. That for me is why the position needs addressing.

Whether this makes me a bad fan, a non supporter, Owngoals next 'play on words' for my username or whatever doesn't matter, I am expecting him to make a mistake he's made before in every game now. If it doesn't happen one week I'm more surprised than when it does.

I'll always support him when he plays, but the doubt has well and truly set in.
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