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Does it matter to us fans?
Yes it should because it demonstrates one of the key factors in determining the long-term sustainability of a club. However, this is only one metric. The projected value of player contracts is obviously another important factor.

If a club can get that ratio closer to 50% of revenue (which is similar to other major professional sports), it should lead to providing the club with the ability to invest more profits in infrastructure (stadium expansion, academy, scouting networks etc.) that should eventually lead to generating more revenue which, in turn, should lead to being able to pay higher wages as a percentage of revenue, which in turn should lead to a better product and so on and so forth. The reverse is also true. Obviously the ability to spend wisely is the key as overspending on players is no guarantee of future success.

It is difficult to find that "sweet spot". Spend too much and there is nothing left over to invest and the club can eventually face insolvency if it gets relegated. Spend too little and risk a poor finish and relegation and years if not decades of sliding into lower divisions and eventual insolvency.

What I am not sure enough fans appreciate is that the Premier League's relatively enormous broadcast revenue results in relatively tiny clubs having consistent world wide exposure.

Seeing a tiny semi-professional club play a big-six club in the FA Cup is an occasional spectacle. But, in relative terms, this sort of spectacle is played out several times every week during a Premier League season. However, when Bournemouth host a big-six club in a 10,000 seat stadium, the contest is seldom if ever as lopsided as that FA Cup spectacle.

Many would argue that the modern game has been ruined by broadcasting revenue and how the big clubs have destroyed the soul of the game. That may be true. But that is the hand that has been dealt to clubs like Palace.

Parish et. al. have been put in the difficult position of having to thread this needle every season.

So yes, 78% matters because football matter. Because Palace matters.

Right now 78% is the highest in the Premier League. Hopefully Parish et. al. can figure out a way to lower it. There are few I would trust to do this.
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Are you talking about the university report or Glazierís view that we should sell Andres Townsend and only have 11 top players Ďcos he thinks Roy will never make subs?
Cheap shot. You know full well I didn't mention Burnley in 7th or Everton in 11th! Also, you know I didn't say we should only have 11 top players. But feel free to carry on misquoting me if it makes you feel better. Didn't know you were such a big fan of Meyer and Townsend.
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Of course it matters. The financial situation at a football club either indirectly or directly affects the supporters, whether through ticket prices, merchandise etc. down to serious situations like administration, of which we've suffered twice.

I know we have no direct influence over how much the club spends but knowing how much players earn does affect your expectations of their performance, Benteke being the most obvious example but also the "Mutch wage comparison" has been used regularly on here when talking about potential improvements to the ground for example.

We should always be interested in the club's finances, as we're the ones who suffer when it goes wrong. Our wage bill is too high and needs to be managed better by Steve Parish.
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Palace have highest wage/revenue percentage in prem league

We all knew it was high and the reason SP has been trying to get the new Main Stand built. We have always needed to up our revenue and the new Main Stand would make a world of difference as well as an Academy that can fulfil the First Team needs with a steady flow of Premier League ready players.

Those 2 elements alone will make us sustainable and self sufficient. That is why we stick with Roy and this squad as itís buying us time.
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There are at least a couple of possible explanations:

(1) We have good players who command high wages. And therefore we should be higher up the league, and the owners should be commended for showing such ambition
(2) We have overpaid wasters in our squad who are not worth the money, who were bad signings who would take us into administration if we were relegated.

Despite the anger and disappointment felt due to our appalling summer transfer window I actually favour (1) overall. After promotion, our initial scattergun approach to transfers worked, somehow, but left us with a lot of overpaid dross on our books. The good news is that wasters like Mutch have gone or are in the process of going. Souare was an unlucky one for the club as he signed a new contract and then had the car crash that seems to have finished his career at the top level, but he will be gone soon. Puncheon kept us up in that first season with crucial goals and then was rewarded with a good contract, despite his age, but he will be off the books soon too.

People will moan incessantly about the big hitters like Sakho and Benteke but the former is top class when fit and the latter kept us up in his first season with goals, is decent when on form and still a handful when not. Ultimately both are well worth the money when fit and on form, even if the overall outlay on transfer fees and wages was not value for money due to injuries and loss of form respectively. Then you have Zaha. On £200k a week he'd still be worth every penny to us as he carries the attack and creative spark by himself. So I don't think they are the problem.

The issues are that we have signed too many experienced players, who demand higher wages than their younger counterparts. We haven't splashed enough cash on serious young talent. Thank goodness for Zaha and AWB because without them the balance between young and old would have been even worse. We need to sign young players who can command a first team place, and sell the squad players who can't get in the current team. That means Sorloth, Riedewald, Meyer, Townsend as well as releasing the out of contract players and sending back the loanees would be terrific. Then bring in some quality first XI standard youngsters. But we are actually in terrific shape. The headline ratio doesn't tell the full story. But we have to buy some quality young players in the summer and move on a few more to finish the rebuilding and fulfill the club's promise. Not only will the wage situation improve, but we will also balance the books as talented young players have resale value.
I agree with your point about too many experienced players on high wages but you have to include Benteke and Sakho in that.

Your financial logic is all at sea again though, you can't just say we need younger players who can walk straight into our first team as these sorts of players are simply too expensive for us. Then there's the point about paying Wilf £200k/week whilst trying to reduce the wage bill, I'm sure you could create a great 5-a-side team with your spending recommendations but it just doesn't work for a PL squad.

Burnley's top paid player on those accounts was Ben Mee on £55k/week, less than quite a few of our players. The signings of Cabaye then Benteke and Sakho on expensive wages were designed to take us to "the next level" but without stability and a cohesive transfer strategy they were gambles with mixed success, and the overall effect was to raise our overall wage bill as other players demand more.

We can't keep just dishing out ever increasing wages, AWB will clearly expect a big wage rise if we don't sell him, as will any player who is playing well e.g. Luka. Many of our players out of contract in 2021 will be in their 30s by then but it will be very difficult to offer them lower wages, as proved in the summer with Cabaye and Sako (to their detriment).
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I agree with your point about too many experienced players on high wages but you have to include Benteke and Sakho in that.

Your financial logic is all at sea again though, you can't just say we need younger players who can walk straight into our first team as these sorts of players are simply too expensive for us. Then there's the point about paying Wilf £200k/week whilst trying to reduce the wage bill, I'm sure you could create a great 5-a-side team with your spending recommendations but it just doesn't work for a PL squad.

Burnley's top paid player on those accounts was Ben Mee on £55k/week, less than quite a few of our players. The signings of Cabaye then Benteke and Sakho on expensive wages were designed to take us to "the next level" but without stability and a cohesive transfer strategy they were gambles with mixed success, and the overall effect was to raise our overall wage bill as other players demand more.

We can't keep just dishing out ever increasing wages, AWB will clearly expect a big wage rise if we don't sell him, as will any player who is playing well e.g. Luka. Many of our players out of contract in 2021 will be in their 30s by then but it will be very difficult to offer them lower wages, as proved in the summer with Cabaye and Sako (to their detriment).
Financial logic and the finances of football have been in a different world for years. There is no point fans being concerned about it, because it isn't going to change anytime soon.
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Why are people acting like the last 7 years hasn't been a slog? finishing league position out of the window we've struggled and the only reason we are still in the league is because we've paid over the odds/high wages and its ultimately paid off.

We know/Parish knows it's not ideal hence getting rid of some dead in Jan and yes if we could re-do things I doubt we would have paid super high wages to Benteke, but hindsight is wonderful, if he consistently scored 15 goals a season it would be a bargain.

Stoke/WBA/Swansea all had better wage control that us have been relegated.
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We all knew it was high and the reason SP has been trying to get the new Main Stand built. We have always needed to up our revenue and the new Main Stand would make a world of difference as well as an Academy that can fulfil the First Team needs with a steady flow of Premier League ready players.

Those 2 elements alone will make us sustainable and self sufficient. That is why we stick with Roy and this squad as itís buying us time.
The revenue stream from the main stand will not cover a decent payers wage for a year. The academy will also not provide a steady stream of premier league ready players. Please join us in the real world
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He is a good chairman but he is not the best by a long shot.
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Why are people acting like the last 7 years hasn't been a slog? finishing league position out of the window we've struggled and the only reason we are still in the league is because we've paid over the odds/high wages and its ultimately paid off.

We know/Parish knows it's not ideal hence getting rid of some dead in Jan and yes if we could re-do things I doubt we would have paid super high wages to Benteke, but hindsight is wonderful, if he consistently scored 15 goals a season it would be a bargain.

Stoke/WBA/Swansea all had better wage control that us have been relegated.
Exactly. If players like Sakho and Benteke hadn't been paid the top ££££ they wouldn't have come, and if they were regularly fit and on form they wouldn't be at Palace. But they have made a difference to us, they are part of the reason we have not been relegated. We have ultimately 'overpaid' in terms of the wages/transfer fee package but their quality has been evident. Same can be said for Cabaye. People were disappointed he didn't score more goals to begin with, but eventually people realised he was worth the money, despite the £15m outlay that was huge at the time, and the wages. If he was scoring 10+ goals a season he wouldn't have been a Palace player, but even over just 3 years for us he had a massive impact.

Proven top quality costs money. Personally I look at what Parish did and have a lot of admiration for him. He took risks and spent the dosh, rather than trying to get value for money and embroiling himself in a war against agent fees like Jordan did. (Ultimately those battles, whilst admirable, can come once you are an established Premier League club.) With our fans, our fanbase catchment area and 2 of the hottest Academy talents that the club have ever produced, we deserve to be dining at the top table for years to come. And we shouldn't be worrying so much about the wages right now.

Going forward, now we have an experienced Premier League squad, the emphasis needs to be on getting rid of players who are not worth the wages. Trimming the squad, and buying quality young players that Roy trusts. We know from 2 seasons of Roy Hodgson that if you're not good enough or not trusted you're not going to play. We know he only does like for like substitutions with 10 minutes to go. We know he doesn't chop and change the side from week to week. This is brilliant. Yes, the football this season was turgid, as I predicted, but if we buy players that Hodgson thinks are good enough, even if they are attacking players, Roy will play them. We played attacking Champagne football at the end of last season. So that's what we must do: buy the RLC and Cabaye replacements. I like Max Meyer and Andros Townsend, but if they are not going to play what's the point in having them? Roy doesn't trust Meyer as he doesn't suit the style of football we want to play, and Townsend is out of favour. Both have transfer value and could be improved on. If a decent bid comes in for either we should take it. The core players for me are Guaita, PVA, Sakho, Tomkins, AWB, Milivojevic, Zaha and Benteke. Then there are squad players on reasonable wages who are not world beaters who can come in like Hennessey, Ward, Dann, Kelly, McArthur and Schlupp. These are guys that would not command epic transfer fees, but that we know Roy would trust for a few games if he had to. Everyone else can go. It's up to the club to sign the 3 or 4 first XI players that are young that Roy trusts and that can help us carry a goal threat as well as being defensively solid. The wage situation might improve slightly, but at this stage it doesn't really matter because the emphasis needs to be on pushing the club into the Top 10, and not making the wage situation worse. It's possible. Sign the right players and we can eradicate the turgid football and be stable financially. HUGE summer coming up.
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I agree with your point about too many experienced players on high wages but you have to include Benteke and Sakho in that.

Your financial logic is all at sea again though, you can't just say we need younger players who can walk straight into our first team as these sorts of players are simply too expensive for us. Then there's the point about paying Wilf £200k/week whilst trying to reduce the wage bill, I'm sure you could create a great 5-a-side team with your spending recommendations but it just doesn't work for a PL squad.

Burnley's top paid player on those accounts was Ben Mee on £55k/week, less than quite a few of our players. The signings of Cabaye then Benteke and Sakho on expensive wages were designed to take us to "the next level" but without stability and a cohesive transfer strategy they were gambles with mixed success, and the overall effect was to raise our overall wage bill as other players demand more.

We can't keep just dishing out ever increasing wages, AWB will clearly expect a big wage rise if we don't sell him, as will any player who is playing well e.g. Luka. Many of our players out of contract in 2021 will be in their 30s by then but it will be very difficult to offer them lower wages, as proved in the summer with Cabaye and Sako (to their detriment).
That's the point though, people gulp at the transfer fees/wages for the likes of Cabaye, Sakho and Benteke and expect them to be Champions League standard and to take us to a new level. They haven't done that, and they arguably haven't been value for money but they were first XI quality and have influenced our play to keep us in the Premier League. So, I have no problem in keeping MS and CB.

As for your suggestion that I'd be creating a good 5-a-side team with my transfer strategy I don't agree. I've suggested keeping 14 players, signing 4 more, and using academy players as back up. We have good utility players like Schlupp that can cover a number of positions. If we are decimated by injuries and need more there's always the January transfer window when loans at the very least are readily available. But that's the whole point: Roy doesn't chop and change, we are not in Europe and Roy only uses a small squad. So we can make savings by trimming the number of players and having a smaller squad full of quality. As for Burnley, Dyche won't continue to be able to work miracles on such a low wage budget. I predict they will go down next season. We won't.
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High but manageable.
It was greater in the Championship, where most clubs spend nearer 100% of their income on wages.
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That's the point though, people gulp at the transfer fees/wages for the likes of Cabaye, Sakho and Benteke and expect them to be Champions League standard and to take us to a new level. They haven't done that, and they arguably haven't been value for money but they were first XI quality and have influenced our play to keep us in the Premier League. So, I have no problem in keeping MS and CB.

As for your suggestion that I'd be creating a good 5-a-side team with my transfer strategy I don't agree. I've suggested keeping 14 players, signing 4 more, and using academy players as back up. We have good utility players like Schlupp that can cover a number of positions. If we are decimated by injuries and need more there's always the January transfer window when loans at the very least are readily available. But that's the whole point: Roy doesn't chop and change, we are not in Europe and Roy only uses a small squad. So we can make savings by trimming the number of players and having a smaller squad full of quality. As for Burnley, Dyche won't continue to be able to work miracles on such a low wage budget. I predict they will go down next season. We won't.
Are you seriously suggesting we should have a squad of 18 plus academy players, especially considering the injury record of some of our players? Do you also think it would be easy to sell players like Riedewald, Sorloth and Meyer to make way for "serious young talent", whatever that is.

Our squad is ageing and its value is diminishing all the time, but it's running costs are increasing all the time. We've been forced to reduce the squad size through the high wage bill but will still be running at a loss, and that's before all these ageing players are replaced. It will cost a lot of money to replace these players with decent young players, and it's money we just don't have anymore.

The current financial structure is unsustainable and yet your spending recommendations would only make that situation a lot worse. There's no easy answer to it as we only have a handful of players with any real transfer value, which then starts pointing back to selling either Wilf or AWB.

The strategy Parish has used to keep us here has worked but it has a shelf life once all the experienced players get into their 30s and are released on free transfers. At the end of next season we could be releasing Benteke, Wickam and even Luka on free transfers. The following year could be a lot worse than that.
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I believe we have too many average p!ayers on 55-75k and that is what pushes up the total wage bill. There are a handful of players on over 100k and below 40k and that is where we need to change it.
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He is a good chairman but he is not the best by a long shot.

Not by a long shot? Really? Just out of interest, who would you say is the best palace chairman?
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How do forum members know the salaries of our players?

Is there a published list somewhere?
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