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Old 15-11-2019, 08:43 AM
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In Neil Ashtons (Sun Newspaper) column about Mark Bright book.


Neil says Mark Bright would not remember this and neither do I. I can remember watching the games from the Arthur Waite stand during that period and I cannot recall any racist shouting from the Palace supporters towards any black footballers.

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I don't remember that. I do remember an away game at Portsmouth in 1985 when there was a small knot of Palace fans spewing so much racism that I wondered when I left the ground if I'd ever watch another away game.

So this could be true.
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I was in the AW enclosure from early 80s until the new Holmesdale opened, and I never once heard that, thankfully.
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Is this the same journalist who recently made up other rubbish to create a story?
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Unfortunately, particularly in the fact that he is a Palace fan and is excellent at hosting Sunday Supplement, Ashton's journalistic abilities seem to be deteriorating rapidly. Well, ever since he joined the rag that is the Sun. That is a particularly badly written article in comparison to many written in the media about Bright and his new book over the past week or so.
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Never heard that and I went to most games during that period. Load of old bollo, as Ian Dury might say.
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Thanks everyone for your feedback. I am very annoyed with Neil Ashton with his column has this has tarnished Crystal Palace supporters reputation. I really cannot understand if he is a Palace supporters why he is written this rubbish.
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Ashton does talk about a tiny knot of Palace fans chanting - and that does not sound unlikely. I've heard racist comments not that long ago so can believe a small no of chants in the 1980's. We have moved a long wy from then.
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I suppose this is ‘whataboutery’ on my part, but part of the appeal of coming to Palace back in the 80s was how much better the attitude towards black players and fans was than other grounds I’d been to.

I never heard the chant Ashton mentioned, but I wasn’t often in the Arthur. I don’t think it’s unbelievable that there’d be a few inappropriate comments back then, but they’d certainly be a minority.

But by focusing on this we’ll now have Ashton’s readers drawing conclusions about Palace fans being racist, because most people remember a headline rather than the substance of a story.

When I think back to the mass singing of racist songs I heard by clubs such as Millwall and Chelsea, it feels unreasonable for Palace to be so drawn into the same bracket by the media. Ian Wright has also recently chosen to focus on his issues at Palace rather than the opportunities and support he was given at Palace. I guess that gives him more media coverage.

I’m not saying Palace are perfect, or were perfect. It’s a matter of unbalanced reporting.
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I’d be absolutely staggered if in every single ground in the country, every week, you didn’t hear some form of racist chanting in the 80’s
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Watched a programme hosted by Wrighty last night about the abuse black football players have received through the ages - Paul Canoville was on it talking about his Chelsea debut at Selhurst at first thinking the Palace fans were racially abusing him, then it dawned on him it was his own fans!

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As I'm stretching and running, I hear loud individual voices through the noise: 'Sit down you black c**t!, 'You f**ing *** – f**k off!' Over and over again. Lots of different people. I hardly dared look around. They were right behind me. I snatched a glimpse. They were all wearing blue shirts and scarves – Chelsea fans, my side's fans, faces screwed with pure hatred and anger, all directed at me... I felt physically sick. I was absolutely terrified.

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It's not implausible.

I witnessed racism from a few individual Palace 'fans' at Everton about 15 years ago and then again about 5 years ago in the Main Stand. I'm sure that in the 80s it was worse.

Palace can be proud of its role in changing attitudes towards black players in England but there will always be a dickhead minority who don't share that view.
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In Neil Ashtons (Sun Newspaper) column about Mark Bright book.


Neil says Mark Bright would not remember this and neither do I. I can remember watching the games from the Arthur Waite stand during that period and I cannot recall any racist shouting from the Palace supporters towards any black footballers.

Is just me that has got this wrong. Appreciate any feedback.
That’s bollox , we were in the AW then and while it could’ve come from the away support in the seats it did not come from us !
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I’d be absolutely staggered if in every single ground in the country, every week, you didn’t hear some form of racist chanting in the 80’s
Not in the AW 1: we was in there every game be it league , cup , friendly. 2: the crowds were small so would’ve been easier to identify them.
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Yes, I remember that chant at Selhurst by Palace fans during the Wright/Bright era, and a little earlier.
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I was in the AW enclosure from eatly 80s until the new Holmesdale opened, and I never once heard that, thankfully.
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No, not every game, and not even the majority of games. But definitely in the AW.

The numbers involved were small, but at that time attendances were low, so it probably sounded more prominent.
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