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Old 19-02-2012, 11:12 AM
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Well, unsurprisingly the Klitchsco's show they are a class apart from our clowns not only in the ring but as people as well. Not saying they're perfect gentlemen by any means but they've shown as much decorum as you're likely to get in boxing.

Chisora is a shit boxer and a complete dickhead anyway. If it weren't for the fact he's probably safer trying to make a living out of boxing than being let loose on society I'd have him banned. Warren is, has and always will be a nasty little tosser so he's probably loving all this.

Haye should know when he's beaten and fair play for having a go at the heavyweight division, but he's become a clown and his life is a circus. Sort it out.

Forget them both, they don't deserve another payday at this level.
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Old 19-02-2012, 11:31 AM
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The problem wth all British combat sport is that it's run by muppets. There's the wannabe gangsters like Frank Warren in boxing, or the ex-doorman type like Dave O'Donnell in MMA. DO'D is a superb coach, but clearly has no business acumen. He's no Dana White. He's happy to keep British MMA as a borderline underground sport where him and his mates are big fish in a little pond. All shows are tailored for 15 year old boys, with the tarty little dancing girls, the shitty grime music at every given opportunity, the monosylibic commentators and the Ted Rogers-like MC's building the crowd up to bay for blood over the 'brawls'. The UFC encourages respect between fighters before and afterwards. UCMMA encourages hatred and aggression. It's childlike..
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Old 19-02-2012, 11:43 AM
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At least Chisora Vs Haye would be a reasonably interesting fight. There is no obvious winner and is far more appealing than seeing either of them getting beat by a Klitchsco again
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As much as it was an embarrassment it will have done what they wanted, a dose of life into heavyweight boxing. We've not had any proper grudge fights for a long time and like it or not, it sells.
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Old 19-02-2012, 11:45 AM
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At least Chisora Vs Haye would be a reasonably interesting fight. There is no obvious winner and is far more appealing than seeing either of them getting beat by a Klitchsco again
I'd personally rather see them getting knocked out by the Klitchko's. If Chisora and Haye were to fight each other, the build up would be the biggest cringe fest I've ever seen.

At least if they were both knocked out by the Klitchko's we probably wouldn't have to see them fight for a world title again.
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Old 19-02-2012, 11:49 AM
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As soon as chisora came out in that manu top, I knew he was a w&&ker.
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Old 19-02-2012, 12:18 PM
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Well that was embarrassing

David Haye and Adam Booth were both in Munich working on the fight so no surprise they were at the press conference. Agreed Haye is desperate to get a fight and considers himself next in line so a Chisora re-match is bad news for him.
Haye interrupted the press conference to state his claim and this obviously annoyed DC. Haye wouldn't shut up and refused to leave but his argument was with Klitchko team. They put him down and took the piss out of his toe then DC joined in.

DC left the stage and fronted Haye having lost his cool over losing last 3 fights taunt.

Now I'm not saying Haye is blameless but he's never slapped someone at weigh in, spat water, beaten up his girlfriend, threatened to shoot or burn someone.

As for Haye being a shit boxer, well Enzo Macrinelli was world class and Haye destroyed him. Haye will easily beat DC if they do fight.

Frank Warren may not be everyone's cup of tea but he has nurtured the careers and created massive pay days for some of our best and most average British boxers. He has enabled boxers to work and train full time by ensuring they get paid enough to live on. Try putting on a show and selling enough tickets to pay a dozen boxers plus security, venue etc. He has kept british boxing on the back pages. Look back at the boxers he has promoted and supported financially.

We have a long history of boxing in this country and MMA will never replace that but young boxers need to learn the difference between selling a fight and tarnishing their sport.

Chisora is in the wrong and should be reprimanded, fined etc.

Haye should apologise for not walking away.

Neither deserve to have their living taken away but need to realise the damage they are doing will stop young fighters being able to train and work full time as the money just won't be available in the sport.
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Old 19-02-2012, 02:27 PM
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Chisora is a scumbug, total thug, but Haye was being a dick, had no real need to hijack the press conference.

Both will no doubt be hit with fines, but surely will need to meet in the ring.

Am hoping Price, will be the shining light, he comes across as respectful & humble.
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Well that was embarrassing

David Haye and Adam Booth were both in Munich working on the fight so no surprise they were at the press conference. Agreed Haye is desperate to get a fight and considers himself next in line so a Chisora re-match is bad news for him.
Haye interrupted the press conference to state his claim and this obviously annoyed DC. Haye wouldn't shut up and refused to leave but his argument was with Klitchko team. They put him down and took the piss out of his toe then DC joined in.

DC left the stage and fronted Haye having lost his cool over losing last 3 fights taunt.

Now I'm not saying Haye is blameless but he's never slapped someone at weigh in, spat water, beaten up his girlfriend, threatened to shoot or burn someone.

As for Haye being a shit boxer, well Enzo Macrinelli was world class and Haye destroyed him. Haye will easily beat DC if they do fight.

Frank Warren may not be everyone's cup of tea but he has nurtured the careers and created massive pay days for some of our best and most average British boxers. He has enabled boxers to work and train full time by ensuring they get paid enough to live on. Try putting on a show and selling enough tickets to pay a dozen boxers plus security, venue etc. He has kept british boxing on the back pages. Look back at the boxers he has promoted and supported financially.

We have a long history of boxing in this country and MMA will never replace that but young boxers need to learn the difference between selling a fight and tarnishing their sport.

Chisora is in the wrong and should be reprimanded, fined etc.

Haye should apologise for not walking away.

Neither deserve to have their living taken away but need to realise the damage they are doing will stop young fighters being able to train and work full time as the money just won't be available in the sport.
I would agree with that if Haye hadn't picked up a tripod to use as a weapon. I think he is far less of a tosser than Chisora but they both come out of this badly.

Anyone who thinks chisora v Haye is a match up with no obvious winner simply doesn't understand the heavy weight division at this time there is a huge gulf between the best fighters and david haye and then another huge gulf between him and the klitschko's. Haye would knock fury and helenius out easily and despite Chisora having some durability and skills and the fact he isn't smaller than haye like he is alot of heavy weights. He simply isn't in Haye's class he would be a big underdog.

Equally Haye v Vitali is as much of a miss match.

The truth is Haye needs to prove he is worth the fight with Vitali and the reality is despite the BS there are more credible oppoenents to do that against than Chisora. Haye just wants a Klitschko but he isn't prepared to do the graft to win that.

Chisora should be doing all he can to get a crack at Fury again and Haye should stay retired if he isn't interested in taking the less glamourous fights that would win him the right to fight vitali.
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Be quite glad to never see either of them ever again. Pathetic idiotic thugs.
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Will never ever happen, MMA would need to be toned down so much to make it proper main stream toning it down would remove thrill that it has today.

There is just too much money in boxing.

Boxing is at least seen as a bone fide sport with clear and fair rules where as to non followsers MMA is seen as a sort of free for all.

The problem that I think boxing may have to MMA is that there is the potential of many woudl be young boxers to train MMA instead as they think it to be more exciting and in my opinion it is easier and quicker to get to the point where you can fight comptativly at MMA than it is at boxing and this could effect the talent pool of yound ABA's.
You might be right about the image of MMA in the UK but not in the US, Japan or Brazil. It wouldnt take much to alter this in the UK. Also boxing is by far the hardest combat sport to transition to MMA, even more so from amateurs.
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As much as it was an embarrassment it will have done what they wanted, a dose of life into heavyweight boxing. We've not had any proper grudge fights for a long time and like it or not, it sells.
This, this was easily the most exciting thing to happen to heavyweight boxing for a long long time

Also loved the look on Vitalis face during the brawl
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David Haye is desperate for another fight, 31 was too young for him to finish.
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Chisora surprisingly comes out of this as an even bigger bum out of the ring, but credibility enhanced in it.

Haye continues to be ridiculed because of his toe, but it would have partially affected his performance against Wladimir. He should still be rated as the number 3 heavyweight and is head and shoulders above the other Brits. At least now the public knows he apparently accepted the terms to fight Vitali which were then withdrawn. I think Vitali is feeling his age and really doesn't fancy fighting him. Haye's professional image is further tarnished though by the brawl and the comedy injury he caused to Adam Booth and the way Booth then carried on doesn't help either.

Whatever happens I can't believe Haye won't fight again. Can he bring enough pressure to get Vitali to take the fight? I doubt it, or at least not immediately. Will he get goaded into fighting Chisora? If it's a big pay day with Vitali to come afterwards, then I can't see why not.
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You might be right about the image of MMA in the UK but not in the US, Japan or Brazil. It wouldnt take much to alter this in the UK. Also boxing is by far the hardest combat sport to transition to MMA, even more so from amateurs.
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Japan generally watch K1 as opposed to UFC which is very different and boxing has never been very big in Japan, Brasil is not really a big enough player and in the US I would still say that boxing is miles ahead I mean everyone knows people like Mayweather, Del la Hoya etc where most Americans would not be able to name an MMA fighter. I think that the TapOut brand has done wonders for MMA in getting it noticed particulally in the US it is just a pity that British brand (Evloution I think) did not take off.

Personally I loved boxing since a child when UFC started getting more main stream (I did not like it so much when the Gracies owned it with no weights, no rounds no rules) I loved it and could not get enough but I think that I have got bored of it and can take it or leave it and have gone straight back to boxing which I still love far more than MMA. I have no interest really in watching live MMA anymore certainly not at the big venues where as boxing I just love.

I completly agree about what you say about the transition from boxing to MMA (I have done both, well matial arts not strictly speaking mma) what I am more looking at is kids that choose boxing or MMA that is my point.
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Haye continues to be ridiculed because of his toe, but it would have partially affected his performance against Wladimir. He should still be rated as the number 3 heavyweight and is head and shoulders above the other Brits. At least now the public knows he apparently accepted the terms to fight Vitali which were then withdrawn. I think Vitali is feeling his age and really doesn't fancy fighting him. Haye's professional image is further tarnished though by the brawl and the comedy injury he caused to Adam Booth and the way Booth then carried on doesn't help either.

Whatever happens I can't believe Haye won't fight again. Can he bring enough pressure to get Vitali to take the fight? I doubt it, or at least not immediately. Will he get goaded into fighting Chisora? If it's a big pay day with Vitali to come afterwards, then I can't see why not.
Sorry but having boxed and knowing a few professional fighters in the MMA and Muay Thai circuit a broken toe would make little difference. It was an excuse for an insipid performance. As for Haye having accepted the Klitschkos terms that sounds more like Haye mouthing off than any real truth, particularly given Haye's "retirement" and failure to get another shot.

He may still be the number 3 contender although that says more about the state of the HW division (outside the Klitschkos) than it does about Haye (who was a genuinely great Cruiserweight). The fact that Helanius is the European Champ says it all really.

All this sets up is the Haye Chisora match (will keep the chavs entertained) then we'll see if Haye fancies it without a bottle and a camera tripod. That’s if the **** ever turns himself in


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Japan generally watch K1 as opposed to UFC which is very different and boxing has never been very big in Japan, Brasil is not really a big enough player and in the US I would still say that boxing is miles ahead I mean everyone knows people like Mayweather, Del la Hoya etc where most Americans would not be able to name an MMA fighter. I think that the TapOut brand has done wonders for MMA in getting it noticed particulally in the US it is just a pity that British brand (Evloution I think) did not take off.

Personally I loved boxing since a child when UFC started getting more main stream (I did not like it so much when the Gracies owned it with no weights, no rounds no rules) I loved it and could not get enough but I think that I have got bored of it and can take it or leave it and have gone straight back to boxing which I still love far more than MMA. I have no interest really in watching live MMA anymore certainly not at the big venues where as boxing I just love.

I completly agree about what you say about the transition from boxing to MMA (I have done both, well matial arts not strictly speaking mma) what I am more looking at is kids that choose boxing or MMA that is my point.
MMA was very big in Japan. Their new year shows under the Pride Banner used to attract the biggest TV ratings of any show and sold out to massive crowds. Since Pride was folded then bought by the UFC the newer promotions such as Dream haven’t managed to attract the same audiences or fighters of the same calibre however it’s still a big draw there. K1 is as you say massive in Japan however you will frequently find MAA and Muay Thai fights into their shows on the Japanese cards. Brazil might be a small player in boxing however that’s because there MMA dwarfs boxing. It can’t be dismissed as it’s a massive market (dwarfing the UK in terms of population) and the home of MMA.

You’re definitely right in that boxing is much more mainstream in the US, no argument with that. My point was purely that MMA no longer has a bad image there. It is respected as a professional sport and now seen as a good path for many professional sportsmen particularly as a progression for wrestlers (Greco Roman not the panto version) post college.

Over here I see few potential fighters likely to take to MMA over boxing. In the US though you may well be correct. Few boxers will move to MMA however many kids will take it up instead of boxing in the first place, particularly given the fact wrestling is part of their college sporting activity.
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I got the impression that Chisora wanted someone to stop him. He took the microphone with him and kept saying 'I'm coming over there'.

Think he was a bit shocked when no one grabbed him and said 'Leave it art Chis, 'e ain't worfit'.

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Sorry but having boxed and knowing a few professional fighters in the MMA and Muay Thai circuit a broken toe would make little difference. It was an excuse for an insipid performance. As for Haye having accepted the Klitschkos terms that sounds more like Haye mouthing off than any real truth, particularly given Haye's "retirement" and failure to get another shot.

He may still be the number 3 contender although that says more about the state of the HW division (outside the Klitschkos) than it does about Haye (who was a genuinely great Cruiserweight). The fact that Helanius is the European Champ says it all really.

All this sets up is the Haye Chisora match (will keep the chavs entertained) then we'll see if Haye fancies it without a bottle and a camera tripod. That’s if the **** ever turns himself in
I also used to box and it would be hard to jab if you can't put weight on it in my opinion.

I agree he is number 3 because of the poor state of the division. There are no premier league heavyweights. Klitschkos are Championship, Haye is League 1 and Del Boy et al are League 2.

If Haye was lying about accepting the terms in November, why didn't Vlad's team refute it, rather than going on about his toe and lack of belts? Why do you think they don't seem to want to fight Haye? They are trying to paint him as a poor contender and all hype no substance based on the his last fight when he may or may not have been affected by an injury, but based on the rest of his career he is a threat. I certainly believe he'd have dealt with Chisora a lot more effectively than Vladimir did.
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I also used to box and it would be hard to jab if you can't put weight on it in my opinion.

I agree he is number 3 because of the poor state of the division. There are no premier league heavyweights. Klitschkos are Championship, Haye is League 1 and Del Boy et al are League 2.

If Haye was lying about accepting the terms in November, why didn't Vlad's team refute it, rather than going on about his toe and lack of belts? Why do you think they don't seem to want to fight Haye? They are trying to paint him as a poor contender and all hype no substance based on the his last fight when he may or may not have been affected by an injury, but based on the rest of his career he is a threat. I certainly believe he'd have dealt with Chisora a lot more effectively than Vladimir did.
We'll have to agree to disagree on all round .

I think the Klitschkos are premier league, Haye maybe championship and the rest way below. I'm hoping Price can come on for the UK and Seth Mitchell maybe revive US HW hopes.

Wlads team dont need to dispute it. They have given Haye chances culminating in a pathetically cowardly performance blamed on a toe (if it was a genuine concern Haye could have postponed the fight). Haye has done nothing since (im not even going to count the Audley fight) to deserve a shot except retire. They dont need to present him as "a poor contender and all hype no substance" as he's done that all by himself. As far as i can see it Haye has nothing to offer. He's no threat, no audience interest and holds no belt, just a big mouth in the corner.

I cant see either brother being worried or interested in either UK fighter now. Most likely Wlad will carry on fighting mandatory challengers after the Mormeck fight and Vitali is linked to Mitchell. As i said i cant see anything other than a Haye Chisora fight with a remote possibility for the winner getting Wlad (something the Klitschko camp agreed in the press conference when Warren proposed it).
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We'll have to agree to disagree on all round .

I think the Klitschkos are premier league, Haye maybe championship and the rest way below. I'm hoping Price can come on for the UK and Seth Mitchell maybe revive US HW hopes.

Wlads team dont need to dispute it. They have given Haye chances culminating in a pathetically cowardly performance blamed on a toe (if it was a genuine concern Haye could have postponed the fight). Haye has done nothing since (im not even going to count the Audley fight) to deserve a shot except retire. They dont need to present him as "a poor contender and all hype no substance" as he's done that all by himself. As far as i can see it Haye has nothing to offer. He's no threat, no audience interest and holds no belt, just a big mouth in the corner.

I cant see either brother being worried or interested in either UK fighter now. Most likely Wlad will carry on fighting mandatory challengers after the Mormeck fight and Vitali is linked to Mitchell. As i said i cant see anything other than a Haye Chisora fight with a remote possibility for the winner getting Wlad (something the Klitschko camp agreed in the press conference when Warren proposed it).
Fair enough, let's see how it plays out.

Was it definitely Wlad rather than Vlad that Warren proposed after a Haye / Chisora fight?
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