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Old 12-12-2012, 10:53 PM
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Yes - he didn't say they hadn't been to the moon. He questioned as to whether they were able to go to the moon. He didn't think it was possible with what they had to work with.
So they had him killed? Harsh.
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Yes - he didn't say they hadn't been to the moon. He questioned as to whether they were able to go to the moon. He didn't think it was possible with what they had to work with.
Seeing as he was in the running to be one of the crew for the first moon landing, these are probably very valid questions to ask.
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A lot of people have dismissed the idea of life on other planets because a lot of study has gone into it with no results.

I watched a programme about it the other week and a woman scientist likened it to taking a tumbler, scooping up a tumbler full of sea water, not finding a fish in it and deciding therefore there are no fish in the sea.

I thought that was quite a good comparison.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:04 PM
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Again with these moon landing denier threads? Jeez.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:10 PM
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I did use to wonder if the first landing was somehow faked due to the US running out of time to develop the technology to meet their stated aim of putting a man on the moon before the end of the 60s. This would've bought themselves some breathing space to get things right and carry out all the subsequent missions.

However, the more I looked into it the more I very quickly realised it just couldn't have been faked. Too many people were involved to have been able to keep it quiet and the Soviets, who were obviously following what was going on and tracking the rocket themselves, would've screamed the news that the Yanks had faked the landings for the entire world to hear.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:15 PM
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I did use to wonder if the first landing was somehow faked due to the US running out of time to develop the technology to meet their stated aim of putting a man on the moon before the end of the 60s. This would've bought themselves some breathing space to get things right and carry out all the subsequent missions.

However, the more I looked into it the more I very quickly realised it just couldn't have been faked. Too many people were involved to have been able to keep it quiet and the Soviets, who were obviously following what was going on and tracking the rocket themselves, would've screamed the news that the Yanks had faked the landings for the entire world to hear.
I think the point about the Russians is a very valid one, and one I can't argue with.

But I'd still like a good explanation for the photograph and video oddities.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:23 PM
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:28 PM
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a) In some photos, the crosshairs (fiducials) appear to be behind objects, rather than in front of them where they should be, as if the photos were altered.[18]

In photography, the light white color (the object behind the crosshair) makes the black object (the crosshair) invisible due to saturation effects in the film emulsion. The film particles that ought to have been black were exposed by light from the adjacent brightly lit particles.[19][dead link] Ironically, this saturation effect would not happen if the crosshairs were drawn on in post, and so is evidence of genuine photos. Attempting to alter photos that already have crosshairs would make the compositing process far more difficult.

The 'classic' Aldrin photo, with reticules not centered. In addition, Aldrin appears to be illuminated by a spotlight.

b) In the 'classic' Aldrin photo, the reticle (etched crosshair on the camera) is too low. Since the crosshairs are in a fixed position on all the images, a lower reticle on this image indicates that the image has been cropped. This is the case even on the 70mm duplicate transparency NASA issues. The 70mm transparencies should show the entire 'full' image. Hoax proponents say that the only explanation for this is if the original full transparency needed to be cropped because of an embarrassing artifact like a piece of stage scenery was in the shot.[18]

Buzz Aldrin, original photo. Reticules are centered and there is no spotlight effect.

The view of the actual photo below, (at right) (source: AS11-40-5903 or AS11-40-5903 high resolution) is chopped off just above Aldrin, cutting off Aldrin's antenna (except for a small piece). Duplicate transparencies are not necessarily exact copies of the original. The publicly-released version of the photo was cropped and recomposed by NASA within hours of the film being made available, with extra black space added at the top of most released versions for what NASA calls aesthetic reasons. This Web page has NASA's history of the photo.

c) In other photos, the reticules are not in a straight line, or appear in the 'wrong' place, indicating that the photo has been doctored.[20]

The debunking Web site Clavius.org explains that the methodologies that the conspiracy theorists propose for doctoring the photos with "wrong" reticules are often contradictory and generally require absurd lengths to explain the "inconsistencies" when there are reasonable explanations. In particular, prints were often cropped and rotated, which causes the illusion of reticules occurring off-center or "not straight".
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:36 PM
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Wonderful, you've certainly added to the debate. Now why don't you piss off and take your medication, there's a good chap. Best you leave the conversation to those who aren't less intelligent than mould.
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Wonderful, you've certainly added to the debate. Now why don't you piss off and take your medication, there's a good chap. Best you leave the conversation to those who aren't less intelligent than mould.
I found the picture quite funny so posted it on a thread I saw fitting.

Away and have a wee talk to yourself. Silly prick
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I thought it was funny as well ...
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I doubt they'd be like us really. Although they could be.

We can't be the only planet in the whole Universe with life. It's just not logical.
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The guy who wrote the report in question was To view the link you have to Register or Login.

He worked for the company who built the Apollo command module, and after spilling company secrets to the media he was fired. It was then that he wrote the long report.

He, along with his wife and child, were killed when their car was hit by a train.

As for the other points some conspiracy theorists (and trolls) make, they can all be found To view the link you have to Register or Login. If anyone needs any other doubts answering then just say so. There is a multitude of evidence that can be provided to convince you.

I hate programs like this - they only give one side and are made purely to stir things up, not to examine the evidence. I don't blame people like Barbara who watch them and have doubts seeded in their heads.

As for the Kennedy "magic bullet" theory, that is debunked conclusively is this video:

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Wonderful, you've certainly added to the debate. Now why don't you piss off and take your medication, there's a good chap. Best you leave the conversation to those who aren't less intelligent than mould.
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And just to throw a couple of other things into the mix, I'm not convinced Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone shooter and I'm not convinced Marilyn Monroe took an overdose.

Do your worst on that
LHO wasn't a shooter at all
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He was decent enough to admit he was unaware of something but you are never one to miss a chance at sticking the boot in eh
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Didn't Buzz Aldrin get stuck into someone (reporter?) who asked him whether it was all faked?
Did he protest too much, so to speak? Did Man really get there in 1969 ffs, we barely had any technology then. Seems more unbelievable the longer it is since we have returned
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