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Old 05-11-2019, 02:26 PM
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'Weapons of Mass Destruction' and 'Climate Change' propaganda:-
1. based on allegations of dramatic new evidence
>> Not really, we've been talking about climate change, global warming and the impact of pollution etc for most of my 48 years - and I'm fairly certain pollution of the environment and consequences for humans was central to the Clean Air Act in the 50s / 60s (that effectively ended pea soupers).

2. communicated with high emotional intensity and moral
outrage
>> Again not really, that might be the case in some areas - But people have been campaigning around issues like this for decades, often in obscurity and mostly publishing to scientific journals. I think it maybe says more to how you recieve your media, than how information is generally presented.

3. apparently supported by an informed corporate media/
academic/expert consensus
>> Not true of WMD as it was selective media and experts. The UN Weapons Inspectorate for example, arguably the leading organisation in the world, disagreed quite vocally, and was heavily reported on. The BBC was embroiled in a number of court cases over accusations of the Government engineering an excuse for war.

4. reinforced by damning condemnation of anyone daring even to
question the apparent consensus

>> Now that was true of the government, but it didn't actually work. Not even sure thats the case with Climate Change, except in regards to absolute deniers. Its also true that Climate Change deniers, like 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists when confronted with counter evidence to their theories tend to point shout conspiracy and then hide away - But also don't tend to do peer published research either - and have a tendency to present questionable sources and selective data sets as being 'FACT'. If you're not using peer reviewed, published data, you don't have a dog in the science race.

5. generated with fortuitous timing
>> Not really, this has been a movement and cause dating back as far at least my life time. Environmental science really came to the for during the technology rises of the 60s, but gained a lot of interest off the back of the publication of Rachel Carsons, Silent Spring, one of the best selling science books of all time. Notably at the time, burgeoning Environmental sciences gained a great boost on being on the right side of the arguement about DDT


6. characterised by tragicomic moral dissonance
>> Not sure what you mean by this. However I do understand moral dissonance (as it relates to Psychology) and what tragic-comedy is. If I'm right in thinking your talking about hipocracy, thats absurdly contry to behaviour, its a human norm. Hipocracy is central to the function of all human beings (such as say An Environmentalist campaigner drinking water from a plastic bottle). This occurs because we identify concepts ideologically and hypethetically, but exist in a physical universe, where options and interactions occur on a continual basis, and are defined by limitations around us.

So if we're thirsty for example, we buy a bottle of water, if we have no other options. Thats not hypocritical, thats normal behaviour. Reality of environmentalism is more complicated than that. Humans aren't perfect machines were complex, contry and exist in a state of flux as much defined by where we find ourselves as what we believe.

Everyone basically is a hipocrite on various levels, except people who are arguably mentally disturbed (ie their behaviours are extreme to the point of being statistically deviant).
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Old 05-11-2019, 02:34 PM
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A scientist should be able to freely represent his findings, even if that goes against the consensus. His motivation was that he saw policies being introduced that would unnecessarily impact businesses in Queensland.
Not really, a scientist should be freely able to publish for peer review. Findings that aren't subject to journal and peer review, have no scientific objectivity established.

Also, when drawing objections, you really do need to be able to draw a conclusion that your findings are 'scientifically demonstrable and relevent'. For example, showing a correlation between two or three phenomena isn't proof, its a starting point for more research.

The problem of a lot of the denial research, is that it trys to draw very strong conclusions from a small amount of low level correlation and statistical data, against far more evidenced and supported theories.

Basically, you have 30-40 years worth of Environmental sciences work on pollution, climatology etc that forms a strong consensus, being attacked as utterly false by a small number of very recent, often unrelated evidence that rarely rises above circumstantial or weak correlation, that doesn't have a consensus basis.

i.e. They're making claims that aren't supported by the quality and level of research.
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High court have just found Met police unlawful for stopping their protests last month.
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High court have just found Met police unlawful for stopping their protests last month.
A win for the freedom to demonstrate at the cost to the taxpayers and commuters.
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You'll never admit you're wrong with regards to climate change will you, even if evidence is waved under your nose.
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Old 06-11-2019, 11:20 AM
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Old 06-11-2019, 12:35 PM
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^^ Ifill Over response to dogstar721 response>>

1. based on allegations of dramatic new evidence

>> Not really, we've been talking about climate change, global warming and the impact of pollution etc for most of my 48 years - and I'm fairly certain pollution of the environment and consequences for humans was central to the Clean Air Act in the 50s / 60s (that effectively ended pea soupers).

^^ CO2 is not pollution. If you are a pop or lager drinker it is the bubbles in your drink. It is extracted from the fossil fuels burned in power stations. It is pumped into greenhouses to increase yields of fruits and vegetables. I am all for removing pollutants from water, air and earth.


2. communicated with high emotional intensity and moral
outrage
>> Again not really, that might be the case in some areas - But people have been campaigning around issues like this for decades, often in obscurity and mostly publishing to scientific journals. I think it maybe says more to how you recieve your media, than how information is generally presented.

^^ Greta and Extinction event UN v Mass Destruction Tony Blair in parliament.

3. apparently supported by an informed corporate media/
academic/expert consensus
>> Not true of WMD as it was selective media and experts. The UN Weapons Inspectorate for example, arguably the leading organisation in the world, disagreed quite vocally, and was heavily reported on. The BBC was embroiled in a number of court cases over accusations of the Government engineering an excuse for war.
^^ point accepted. The media e.g. the Guardian and BBC have clear policies on Climate Change that it is real and cannot be questioned.

4. reinforced by damning condemnation of anyone daring even to
question the apparent consensus

>> Now that was true of the government, but it didn't actually work. Not even sure thats the case with Climate Change, except in regards to absolute deniers. Its also true that Climate Change deniers, like 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists when confronted with counter evidence to their theories tend to point shout conspiracy and then hide away - But also don't tend to do peer published research either - and have a tendency to present questionable sources and selective data sets as being 'FACT'. If you're not using peer reviewed, published data, you don't have a dog in the science race.

^^ Peer-reviewed science papers are pumped out with a 50% failure rate when attempting to replicate their findings. It is known as the Replication Crisis. What us climate sceptics are waiting for a paper on CO2 where it can be replicated that it is mans induced CO2 into the climate 3% of the 0.04% atmospheric CO2. We accept that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. That is not enough, so are other gases such as water vapour the most abundant greenhouse gas in the atmosphere, both by weight and by volume.

^^ I am settled on the science that it is the sun that has the biggest influence on our climate and not man. We are coming out of a natural peak in temperatures and into a cooler period. Apart from cooler temperatures, we will see an increase in earthquakes and volcanic activity.

^^I will post something on this later.

5. generated with fortuitous timing
>> Not really, this has been a movement and cause dating back as far at least my life time. Environmental science really came to the for during the technology rises of the 60s, but gained a lot of interest off the back of the publication of Rachel Carsons, Silent Spring, one of the best selling science books of all time. Notably at the time, burgeoning Environmental sciences gained a great boost on being on the right side of the arguement about D

^^ Any natural disaster is conveniently linked to climate change, any record hot day is jumped on. The same cannot be said for record cold days.


6. characterised by tragicomic moral dissonance
>> Not sure what you mean by this. However I do understand moral dissonance (as it relates to Psychology) and what tragic-comedy is. If I'm right in thinking your talking about hipocracy, thats absurdly contry to behaviour, its a human norm. Hipocracy is central to the function of all human beings (such as say An Environmentalist campaigner drinking water from a plastic bottle). This occurs because we identify concepts ideologically and hypethetically, but exist in a physical universe, where options and interactions occur on a continual basis, and are defined by limitations around us.

So if we're thirsty for example, we buy a bottle of water, if we have no other options. Thats not hypocritical, thats normal behaviour. Reality of environmentalism is more complicated than that. Humans aren't perfect machines were complex, contry and exist in a state of flux as much defined by where we find ourselves as what we believe.

Everyone basically is a hipocrite on various levels, except people who are arguably mentally disturbed (ie their behaviours are extreme to the point of being statistically deviant).
^^ you can see on this thread where a poster is considered mentally deranged for having an opposing view, then you have people classed as flat earthers or holocaust deniers.

That editing did not quite work, the last sentence starting ^^ should of been above. So please do not take it out of context.
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A win for the freedom to demonstrate at the cost to the taxpayers and commuters.
The right of protest is pretty fundamental to democracy.
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^^ you can see on this thread where a poster is considered mentally deranged for having an opposing view, then you have people classed as flat earthers or holocaust deniers.

That editing did not quite work, the last sentence starting ^^ should of been above. So please do not take it out of context.
Good effort made at answering the points whatever the reader's bias may be.

General point, I wonder how many people even know:
i. The Earth has an elliptical orbit around the Sun
ii. The Sun does not emit radiation uniformly in any given direction.
iii. There is variation in axial Obliquity.
iv. The Earth is not spherical
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The right of protest is pretty fundamental to democracy.
To do so peacefully, yes.

But there are restrictions and the police/authorities can get involved if a protest is disrupting the community, causing public disorder or damaging property.
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Good effort made at answering the points whatever the reader's bias may be.

General point, I wonder how many people even know:
i. The Earth has an elliptical orbit around the Sun
ii. The Sun does not emit radiation uniformly in any given direction.
iii. There is variation in axial Obliquity.
iv. The Earth is not spherical
most people would if they thought about it
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I waiting for the evidence.
I pointed out something for you to look into that would start to provide you with evidence of climate change. There are numerous studies showing the effects of climate change over time, all on different things too. I'd list loads but you won't read them so what's the point?
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To do so peacefully, yes.

But there are restrictions and the police/authorities can get involved if a protest is disrupting the community, causing public disorder or damaging property.
I think at this point they are guilty of all three points but still nothing will be done. I think the patience of the 'community' will soon wear out a la Canning Town.

Is it possible to sure Extinction Rebellion? They're obviously extremely well funded and it's only a matter of time until they block the wrong ambulance or people go after them for loss of earnings.
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Good effort made at answering the points whatever the reader's bias may be.

General point, I wonder how many people even know:
i. The Earth has an elliptical orbit around the Sun
ii. The Sun does not emit radiation uniformly in any given direction.
iii. There is variation in axial Obliquity.
iv. The Earth is not spherical
v. The distribution of continents and seas is not constant.
vi. The rate of emission of carbon dioxide and methane by volcanoes is not constant.
vii. The albedo of the Earth is not constant.
viii. The equinoctes precede.
ix. The axis of the Earth precedes.
x. The amountbof dust in space between the Earth and the Sun is not constant.
xi. The Sun's output varies on an 11-year cycle.
xii. The Sun gets hotter at the rate of about 10% per billion years.
xiii. The salinity of the oceans is not constant.
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Protester gets its comeuppance.
Assaulting a women with a blind side shot. What a big man
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