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If anything proves I am a hypocrite then being a meat eater is the main one.

The treatment of animals to put food on our table is disgraceful in many cases yet on a day to day basis, my only reaction is that the quality of the meat suffers because of it, whereas any story that highlights the cruelty of mass farming, I am up in arms about, sometimes at the same time I am stuffing a chicken burger into my face.

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I did try it and felt awful, some meat and animal fat seems to really stable my blood sugar.
It also contains Tryptothan which is important to sufferers of depression.

As I have found out recently since Mrs Maidstoned has decided we should reduce our meat intake through the week.
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It also contains Tryptothan which is important to sufferers of depression.

As I have found out recently since Mrs Maidstoned has decided we should reduce our meat intake through the week.
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It's like lazy stereotype bingo on here

I read that article too and it covered a lot of reasons why I chose to do it, it was not one specific thing, more a combo of environmental issues and personal health. I wasn't too much into the animal welfare part but that has seemed to come along naturally. although there was one time in my work canteen last June as well I saw someone sticking a plate of uneaten pork with the ribs into the bin and I thought 'what did that animal live for'? Guess it was always going to come to me eventually.

Funny thing is that I was not actively planning to do it, it was a perfect combo last summer of a vegan sister visiting, hence a hunt for restaurants and food to feed her, reading up about it and then watching Okja and more Netflix content - that was it from there.

Family are all non-vegan, we all get along, just out of practicalities they sometimes have a vegan curry or food because it's easier to do it all together, its quite common for me to sort myself out too because they are having meat. Good thing is that there are so many options now and its becoming quite easy to find in supermarkets.

When considering my 'why', I have always found all meat except the muscle bits disgusting. Milk was always a weird concept and the eggs thing just doesn't seem right, maybe this is my natural state and just blindly accepted the societal norms before and considered meat eating as normal.

There was a run-in period where I more or less cut out meat and obvious dairy from the start, but small things like the powdered shit 'milk' in the work coffee proved surprisingly stubborn to give up, it took over another 2 months. Been a few times since when I've eaten something and its had amounts of gelatine, or animal fats in, not gonna beat myself up about it too much. Had 3 Dairy Milk chocs at christmas and one After Eight this saturday too.

Not gonna lie and say the smells of meat sometimes aren't still appetising, but now it's also a consideration that it is roasted animal flesh. The only things I would say are properly missed though would be a damn good chicken tikka or tandoori chicken

All the usual health things apply, but one surprising aspect is that I also feel more intuitive - no idea why
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"Dietary sources. Tryptophan is present in most protein-based foods or dietary proteins. It is particularly plentiful in chocolate, oats, dried dates, milk, yogurt, cottage cheese, red meat, eggs, fish, poultry, sesame, chickpeas, almonds, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, buckwheat, spirulina, and peanuts."
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It's like lazy stereotype bingo on here
Although no one's said anything along the lines of "Needs more bacon lolololol" yet.
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Wife Veggie, Daughter Vegan, Son 1 meat eater, Son 2 (athletic one) Veggie. Me mainly veggie.
At home we are Veggie, when we go out I always look and see if there is a veggie option that I fancy, if not will have meat. If I am at work and end up with a 5 day meat stretch, I feel shit. Low and bloated.
I have a French "if it moves I eat it" mate who due to his red meat consumption came back, a couple of years ago, feeling like shite after a Christmas break. He decided to go veggie for a week, with remarkable results in how he felt and looked. Since then he has 1 week a month Veggie the rest back to business but reduced red meat in the diet and feels great for it.
The more the substitutes match the taste and texture of meat the less need for it there is.
Pheasants, Rabbits and Pigeon are the best meats from an animal welfare point of view. As are British steaks and lamb. Our neighbor is a beef and lamb farmer and he really cares for his stock and not just from a perspective. He will struggle to keep lambs alive and pay vet fees to way above the return. He hates the slaughter practice however. The costing of local slaughterhouses and the drive for the cheapest meat puts stresses on the animals.
Oh and I find certain meat eaters just as opinionated as militant vegans. My advice just find what works for you but think about about it a bit. Oh and never eat Westlers Micro Hamburgers.
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It's like lazy stereotype bingo on here

I read that article too and it covered a lot of reasons why I chose to do it, it was not one specific thing, more a combo of environmental issues and personal health. I wasn't too much into the animal welfare part but that has seemed to come along naturally. although there was one time in my work canteen last June as well I saw someone sticking a plate of uneaten pork with the ribs into the bin and I thought 'what did that animal live for'? Guess it was always going to come to me eventually.

Funny thing is that I was not actively planning to do it, it was a perfect combo last summer of a vegan sister visiting, hence a hunt for restaurants and food to feed her, reading up about it and then watching Okja and more Netflix content - that was it from there.

Family are all non-vegan, we all get along, just out of practicalities they sometimes have a vegan curry or food because it's easier to do it all together, its quite common for me to sort myself out too because they are having meat. Good thing is that there are so many options now and its becoming quite easy to find in supermarkets.

When considering my 'why', I have always found all meat except the muscle bits disgusting. Milk was always a weird concept and the eggs thing just doesn't seem right, maybe this is my natural state and just blindly accepted the societal norms before and considered meat eating as normal.

There was a run-in period where I more or less cut out meat and obvious dairy from the start, but small things like the powdered shit 'milk' in the work coffee proved surprisingly stubborn to give up, it took over another 2 months. Been a few times since when I've eaten something and its had amounts of gelatine, or animal fats in, not gonna beat myself up about it too much. Had 3 Dairy Milk chocs at christmas and one After Eight this saturday too.

Not gonna lie and say the smells of meat sometimes aren't still appetising, but now it's also a consideration that it is roasted animal flesh. The only things I would say are properly missed though would be a damn good chicken tikka or tandoori chicken

All the usual health things apply, but one surprising aspect is that I also feel more intuitive - no idea why
It took until the 28th post for a decent reply. Thanks!
The health part of the article was definitely the bit that resonated with me. I'm carrying more than an extra few pounds but am on the way down. I've always eaten well; no pre-made meals, make my own sauces, eat plenty or veg, beans, lentils and fruit etc. I cut down my meat intake 7 or 8 years ago. I still eat meat most days but not everyday and in the last 6 months or so i have tried to get better with portion control and meat veg ratio on my plate. Unlike you i love meat, i grew up with an aunt and uncle who had a small organic farm so knew from a young age about the process of killing animals. I also eat everything. For example i love offal, my first food off the plane in Thailand last month was chicken hearts.

thanks again for the detailed reply.
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Pardon? Of course I mean meat.

"Dietary sources. Tryptophan is present in most protein-based foods or dietary proteins. It is particularly plentiful in chocolate, oats, dried dates, milk, yogurt, cottage cheese, red meat, eggs, fish, poultry, sesame, chickpeas, almonds, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, buckwheat, spirulina, and peanuts."
Perfect that's my excuse for more Chocolate Easter egg pig outs then
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Wife Veggie, Daughter Vegan, Son 1 meat eater, Son 2 (athletic one) Veggie. Me mainly veggie.
At home we are Veggie, when we go out I always look and see if there is a veggie option that I fancy, if not will have meat. If I am at work and end up with a 5 day meat stretch, I feel shit. Low and bloated.
I have a French "if it moves I eat it" mate who due to his red meat consumption came back, a couple of years ago, feeling like shite after a Christmas break. He decided to go veggie for a week, with remarkable results in how he felt and looked. Since then he has 1 week a month Veggie the rest back to business but reduced red meat in the diet and feels great for it.
The more the substitutes match the taste and texture of meat the less need for it there is.
Pheasants, Rabbits and Pigeon are the best meats from an animal welfare point of view. As are British steaks and lamb. Our neighbor is a beef and lamb farmer and he really cares for his stock and not just from a perspective. He will struggle to keep lambs alive and pay vet fees to way above the return. He hates the slaughter practice however. The costing of local slaughterhouses and the drive for the cheapest meat puts stresses on the animals.
Oh and I find certain meat eaters just as opinionated as militant vegans. My advice just find what works for you but think about about it a bit. Oh and never eat Westlers Micro Hamburgers.
the first quote is tempting the second interesting info, thanks
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It took until the 28th post for a decent reply. Thanks!
The health part of the article was definitely the bit that resonated with me. I'm carrying more than an extra few pounds but am on the way down. I've always eaten well; no pre-made meals, make my own sauces, eat plenty or veg, beans, lentils and fruit etc. I cut down my meat intake 7 or 8 years ago. I still eat meat most days but not everyday and in the last 6 months or so i have tried to get better with portion control and meat veg ratio on my plate. Unlike you i love meat, i grew up with an aunt and uncle who had a small organic farm so knew from a young age about the process of killing animals. I also eat everything. For example i love offal, my first food off the plane in Thailand last month was chicken hearts.

thanks again for the detailed reply.
I dont know what its like where you are in Sevilla but here we are lucky that it is very rural, so fruit and veg is always cheap, local and good quality....same as our meat. My diet being changed, drasticly, has been linked with a recent onset of anxiety and depression, so the meat partof my diet will be increased to help.
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I dont know what its like where you are in Sevilla but here we are lucky that it is very rural, so fruit and veg is always cheap, local and good quality....same as our meat. My diet being changed, drasticly, has been linked with a recent onset of anxiety and depression, so the meat partof my diet will be increased to help.
Eat more chocolate, drink more milk and have peanuts with your beer. Sorted
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I am. Also given me a reason to buy steak without getting tutted.
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Many will look at environments such as the Lake District and admire what they call its ‘natural beauty’, not noticing the sheep scattered around that have shaped it. The Uplands and moors, reach in their biodiversity, need active management by animals munching away in order to keep down the more aggressive plants that would otherwise dominate.

Indeed there have been many projects, such as wild bird reserves, where the organisers have reintroduced sheep, cattle or even ponies because they are the most environmentally-friendly method of plant control. Otherwise their land reverts to scrub and bracken, reducing biodiversity for insects, birds etc.

I tend to agree with you that it’s more environmentally friendly in many areas to have sheep in fields, for example, than arable crops which do nothing for biodiversity and are often heavily sprayed with herbicides and pesticides, unless we all go organic. Many areas of the U.K. are unsuitable for arable crops anyway.

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I dont know what its like where you are in Sevilla but here we are lucky that it is very rural, so fruit and veg is always cheap, local and good quality....same as our meat. My diet being changed, drasticly, has been linked with a recent onset of anxiety and depression, so the meat partof my diet will be increased to help.
The quality and price of fruit and veg is very good here, though probably not as good as in the campo. I buy and eat a lot of it.

I hope the change in diet helps you.
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