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Old 03-11-2019, 07:27 PM
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Don’t wish to watch it in slow mo, but at the time I thought the injury might also have occurred from the collision with the second Spurs player who he then collided with.

I didn’t think it was a red card challenge...sometimes in sport people get horrible injuries and it’s not always someone’s fault.

That said, had I been Son, I would have asked to be subbed off anyway. I’d feel too distracted/upset to play on after being involved in that incident.
Yes, Son was chasing Gomez and appeared to clip the back of Gomez’s heel and he collided with a Spurs player which resulted in the injury.
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Yes, Son was chasing Gomez and appeared to clip the back of Gomez’s heel and he collided with a Spurs player which resulted in the injury.
I’m sure Aurier didn’t mean for anything like that to happen, but he does love a shocking challenge. Such a donkey.
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Once again a game overshadowed by how ridiculous the decisions are and the process of making them.
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Cause he originally had a yellow out for Son and was wayed by emotion and changed it to a red after seeing the injury - despite it being caused by Aurier
Yet VAR still deemed the Red card acceptable as it looked at it and did not change the refs decision. Even explained after why it was a red.
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That was never in a million years a red card. It was one of those freak incidents. Very sad incident for all those involved. Hope Gomes makes a full recovery.
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I think even if he kept it at a yellow Son wouldn’t have been able to continue. He was completely distraught

Unfortunate incident for all three involved. Hope Gomes is able to recover
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I think even if he kept it at a yellow Son wouldn’t have been able to continue. He was completely distraught

Unfortunate incident for all three involved. Hope Gomes is able to recover
Yeah, I suspect you're right, but at least Spurs would have had 11 players on the pitch when Everton equalised.

Son is a snidey cheat who hides behind this 'he's such a happy, lovely guy' image. It was interesting to hear on MOTD2 that the extent of the injury affected the colour of the card.
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Klopp - "I can say Sadio is not a diver. There was a situation in the Aston Villa game where he got contact and went down, maybe it was not a penalty but there was contact. It's not as if he jumped over a leg and went down."

This whole 'if there is any contact at all then the forward is entitled to fall down in whatever artificial & theatrical manner he fancies' bollocks is the biggest nonsense in football at the moment. Why does no one call these managers out? Son was the same yesterday & it's not the first, second or third time with these two. They're a ******* disgrace.
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Which it should never do.
Hmmm, not sure I 100% agree here.

Plenty of players have suffered horrific injuries due to the snidey, cowardly tackles that preceded them.

Whilst an injury shouldn't be the sole reason the card is yellow or red, the manner in which the foul has caused the injury should be taken into account. Son deliberately kicked him, and the player has now snapped his ankle because of it. He didn't damage his ankle with the foul, but the resulting fall from a deliberate kick has done. That needs to be stamped out, and whether you like it or not, Son has caused that injury to Andres Gomes.

Another example is when players that push the opposition when the ball goes out of play only needs for a player to stumble and smack his head and all manner of shit could happen.

It's a tough one and as I say, I'm not even sure myself if I 100% agree with either view.
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Klopp - "I can say Sadio is not a diver. There was a situation in the Aston Villa game where he got contact and went down, maybe it was not a penalty but there was contact. It's not as if he jumped over a leg and went down."

This whole 'if there is any contact at all then the forward is entitled to fall down in whatever artificial & theatrical manner he fancies' bollocks is the biggest nonsense in football at the moment. Why does no one call these managers out? Son was the same yesterday & it's not the first, second or third time with these two. They're a ******* disgrace.
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Hmmm, not sure I 100% agree here.

Plenty of players have suffered horrific injuries due to the snidey, cowardly tackles that preceded them.

Whilst an injury shouldn't be the sole reason the card is yellow or red, the manner in which the foul has caused the injury should be taken into account. Son deliberately kicked him, and the player has now snapped his ankle because of it. He didn't damage his ankle with the foul, but the resulting fall from a deliberate kick has done. That needs to be stamped out, and whether you like it or not, Son has caused that injury to Andres Gomes.

Another example is when players that push the opposition when the ball goes out of play only needs for a player to stumble and smack his head and all manner of shit could happen.

It's a tough one and as I say, I'm not even sure myself if I 100% agree with either view.
I understand the point, but if injury was the main consideration lots of very poor challenges would only be a yellow card because fortunately most dangerous tackles do not result in serious injury. I think how reckless a challenge is and how much intent have to be the main factors whether or not an injury occurs because of it.
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I understand the point, but if injury was the main consideration lots of very poor challenges would only be a yellow card because fortunately most dangerous tackles do not result in serious injury. I think how reckless a challenge is and how much intent have to be the main factors whether or not an injury occurs because of it.
Agreed. Not the main consideration as such, but deliberately kicking a player, with no intent to get the ball that results in a career altering injury should carry some weight in the decision.

If Son has stood at a throw in and took a deliberate swipe, he’d have been off in a shot, with Gomes carrying on as normal, but a deliberate kick in play results in a yellow and nay cost him his career. As I said, I’m still not sure, but it does seem backwards in some respects.
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1. "TV replays suggested that Gomes suffered the injury after Son's tackle and before he collided with full-back Serge Aurier."
2. 'Explaining Atkinson's decision, the Premier League said: "The red card for Son was for endangering the safety of a player, which happened as a consequence of his initial challenge."'
Either one of these show that it's clearly a red card: an intentional foul, committed without regard to the player's safety.
Just as bad for me is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A straight red is 1-3 games ban, while an unsuccessful appeal might lift it an extra game (or two, iirc.) Yet because of the nature of the injury, Gomes is likely to be out for probably the rest of the season. IMO, Son should be out too until Gomes returns.
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Klopp - "I can say Sadio is not a diver. There was a situation in the Aston Villa game where he got contact and went down, maybe it was not a penalty but there was contact. It's not as if he jumped over a leg and went down."

This whole 'if there is any contact at all then the forward is entitled to fall down in whatever artificial & theatrical manner he fancies' bollocks is the biggest nonsense in football at the moment. Why does no one call these managers out? Son was the same yesterday & it's not the first, second or third time with these two. They're a ******* disgrace.
Totally agree. It's like living in a parallel universe watching football at the moment. Mane gets touched and throws himself on the floor in a completely unnatural way, the ref can't wait to give a penalty and you've got former hardmen like Souness and Carragher passionately arguing it's a penalty because they've paused the footage and found the faintest of connections. Many fans are also happily buying into the myth that any contact justifies diving. For balance (pun intended), I'd like to see Sky add a physicist to the panel to analyse such regular defiance of physical law.
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Either one of these show that it's clearly a red card: an intentional foul, committed without regard to the player's safety.
Just as bad for me is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. A straight red is 1-3 games ban, while an unsuccessful appeal might lift it an extra game (or two, iirc.) Yet because of the nature of the injury, Gomes is likely to be out for probably the rest of the season. IMO, Son should be out too until Gomes returns.
On that basis the majority of fouls would be red cards. Every tackle, fair or otherwise has the potential to seriously injure the opponent but that doesn't mean there is intent to do so.
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Totally agree. It's like living in a parallel universe watching football at the moment. Mane gets touched and throws himself on the floor in a completely unnatural way, the ref can't wait to give a penalty and you've got former hardmen like Souness and Carragher passionately arguing it's a penalty because they've paused the footage and found the faintest of connections. Many fans are also happily buying into the myth that any contact justifies diving. For balance (pun intended), I'd like to see Sky add a physicist to the panel to analyse such regular defiance of physical law.
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On that basis the majority of fouls would be red cards. Every tackle, fair or otherwise has the potential to seriously injure the opponent but that doesn't mean there is intent to do so.
If they are, as I said, this: "an intentional foul, committed without regard to the player's safety" then why not - deliberately cheating and reckless is indefensible.
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