Home | Forums | Gallery | Twitter
 
CPFC BBS  

Go Back   CPFC BBS » Off Topic » The Politics Forum

Notices

The Politics Forum Discussions that are wholly or mainly concerned with UK politics

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #20261  
Old 24-01-2017, 04:32 PM
bagler bagler is offline
Banned by Moderators
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 225
Rep Power: 898569
bagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mine
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdm61 View Post
No - I would have expected Parliament to deal with the issue - it was Farage who said it would be challenged by UKip and Tory far right

There should be a binding referendum on the final deal - that would sort this once and for all
David Cameron summed that up well, "its a referendum not a neverendum"
Reply With Quote
  #20262  
Old 24-01-2017, 04:32 PM
ExiledStirling's Avatar
ExiledStirling ExiledStirling is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Thurso in the Highlands
Age: 58
Posts: 35,176
Rep Power: 21474846
ExiledStirling Sam the man is hereExiledStirling Sam the man is hereExiledStirling Sam the man is hereExiledStirling Sam the man is hereExiledStirling Sam the man is hereExiledStirling Sam the man is hereExiledStirling Sam the man is hereExiledStirling Sam the man is hereExiledStirling Sam the man is hereExiledStirling Sam the man is hereExiledStirling Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by mik59 View Post
Normally there'd be a Bill Committee but I'm guessing that the the House(s) will accept that (as for precedents (though not equivalent)) time is of the essence so I think the Government will consult the Clerks first and after that then the Leader of the House will propose a process which probably rules out certain amendments (e.g. Lib Dems on 2nd referendum) and how amendments that are allowable will be handled. In the end, I expect a truncated vote on the whole bill.
Cheers Mik.

In your opinion would an amendment which states remaining part of the single market be permissable?

I ask, because if this amendment was key to triggering article 50 but then no agreement between and the UK and the EU is arrived at on this matter it would have been a complete waste of time adding the amendment. So I therefore wonder what the hell can be a valid amendment to a bill that is about triggering article 50 that will serve any purpose whatsoever.
Reply With Quote
  #20263  
Old 24-01-2017, 04:35 PM
Stellavista's Avatar
Stellavista Stellavista is offline
The Bringer of Joy
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Norf London
Posts: 29,807
Rep Power: 21474858
Stellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is hereStellavista Sam the man is here
I think the UK is showing staggeringly little ambition here.
There is a huge amount of dissatisfaction in other EU countries, who don't necessarily want to leave the EU but want meaningful reform. They are being rebuffed by the Federalists and the career Eurocrats.
The UK should try to lure them into an alternative consortium, a sort of EU lite. It could leaves Germany, France and Luxembourg to stew in their own juices for all eternity.
Reply With Quote
  #20264  
Old 24-01-2017, 04:35 PM
bagler bagler is offline
Banned by Moderators
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 225
Rep Power: 898569
bagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mine
Quote:
Originally Posted by smileysmith View Post
So, not a decision based upon staying or leaving the EU then. Fair enough.

Out of interest, how do you view the change of heart on giving the NHS an extra £350mill a week?
Yes but based on a decision not to allow undemocratic losers to (try) and wriggle out of a decision made by the voters. Very underhand.

The way the NHS is run and who for, at the moment, pretty sound. End the top heavy admin, the health tourists etc and it may be a different matter.
Reply With Quote
  #20265  
Old 24-01-2017, 04:35 PM
smileysmith's Avatar
smileysmith smileysmith is offline
Got my eagle eye on you.
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Gipsy Hill
Posts: 34,696
Rep Power: 21474854
smileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by ExiledStirling View Post
Cheers Mik.

In your opinion would an amendment which states remaining part of the single market be permissable?

I ask, because if this amendment was key to triggering article 50 but then no agreement between and the UK and the EU is arrived at on this matter it would have been a complete waste of time adding the amendment. So I therefore wonder what the hell can be a valid amendment to a bill that is about triggering article 50 that will serve any purpose whatsoever.
Presumably an amendment along the lines of "any person of adequate wealth" will now be able to buy slaves persons of lesser wealth.
__________________
Free cloud space, sign up here: https://db.tt/gfum7zKa
Reply With Quote
  #20266  
Old 24-01-2017, 04:37 PM
smileysmith's Avatar
smileysmith smileysmith is offline
Got my eagle eye on you.
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Gipsy Hill
Posts: 34,696
Rep Power: 21474854
smileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by bagler View Post
Yes but based on a decision not to allow undemocratic losers to (try) and wriggle out of a decision made by the voters. Very underhand.

The way the NHS is run and who for, at the moment, pretty sound. End the top heavy admin, the health tourists etc and it may be a different matter.
I see the way you think.

Glad there was no back tracking on that £350m though.

And there's definitely nothing underhand about the Leave camp of Gove, Boris etc. Nothing at all.
__________________
Free cloud space, sign up here: https://db.tt/gfum7zKa

Last edited by smileysmith; 24-01-2017 at 05:06 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #20267  
Old 24-01-2017, 04:53 PM
SA Eagle's Avatar
SA Eagle SA Eagle is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Here, There, Every*******where
Age: 49
Posts: 8,442
Rep Power: 21474853
SA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyStreet View Post
Statements of political intention. See paragraph 119 of the judgment.
No one from the leave side will be reading that, they're all too busy grizzling "it's a stitch up, guv"
__________________
As you type you don't realise that you are crying until you feel and see the tears on your hands.
Reply With Quote
  #20268  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:00 PM
Maz's Avatar
Maz Maz is offline
Semper Idem
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: A place where nothing ever happens.
Posts: 157,244
Rep Power: 21474854
Maz has disabled reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Eagle View Post
No one from the leave side will be reading that, they're all too busy grizzling "it's a stitch up, guv"
My favourite - appeared a couple of times on this thread - is that it's an 'establishment' stitch up : confound them making sure that Parliament makes the decision rather than a few right wing anti-establishment Tories.
__________________
..
..G
abba Gabba Hey

.פɐppɐ פɐppɐ Hǝʎ


Reply With Quote
  #20269  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:10 PM
bagler bagler is offline
Banned by Moderators
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 225
Rep Power: 898569
bagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mine
Quote:
Originally Posted by smileysmith View Post
I see the way you think.

Glad there was no back tracking on that £350m though.

And there's definitely nothing underhand about the Leave camp of Gove, Boris etc. Nothing at all.

The £350m was not the issue being decided. Leaving or remaining in the eu was.

They are not calling for a majority voter decision to be overturned.
Reply With Quote
  #20270  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:11 PM
nickgusset's Avatar
nickgusset nickgusset is offline
Banned by Moderators
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: pebblywood
Age: 50
Posts: 4,104
Rep Power: 21367473
nickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy diet
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nth Kent Eagle View Post
This has to be a free vote due to the importance of the issue. MPs should be able to represent their constituents on this.
Mp's vote on what they think is in the best interests of their constituents which may be different to what the constituents want. Otherwise they would be delegates.

Any changes in the law (which would happen if we ditched EU laws) need to be passed by parliament.
__________________
http://backofthenest.com/
If you’re on the left, disagree all you want, but for feck’s sake try to find it in your hearts to treat each other with a modicum of respect and refrain from vile personal abuse. If you’re on the right… just try to find your hearts. And good luck with that.
Reply With Quote
  #20271  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:12 PM
bagler bagler is offline
Banned by Moderators
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 225
Rep Power: 898569
bagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minebagler : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mine
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maz View Post
My favourite - appeared a couple of times on this thread - is that it's an 'establishment' stitch up : confound them making sure that Parliament makes the decision rather than a few right wing anti-establishment Tories.
The decision was made, be the majority of the voting people, it will be Parliament just rubber stamping it.
Reply With Quote
  #20272  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:12 PM
smileysmith's Avatar
smileysmith smileysmith is offline
Got my eagle eye on you.
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Gipsy Hill
Posts: 34,696
Rep Power: 21474854
smileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by bagler View Post
They are not calling for a majority voter decision to be overturned.
Nor is requiring the Act enabling it to be voted on in parliament. (Or to put it another way following the law of the land).
__________________
Free cloud space, sign up here: https://db.tt/gfum7zKa
Reply With Quote
  #20273  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:13 PM
nickgusset's Avatar
nickgusset nickgusset is offline
Banned by Moderators
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: pebblywood
Age: 50
Posts: 4,104
Rep Power: 21367473
nickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietnickgusset came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy diet
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maz View Post
My favourite - appeared a couple of times on this thread - is that it's an 'establishment' stitch up : confound them making sure that Parliament makes the decision rather than a few right wing anti-establishment Tories.
I thought it was this sort of fair parliamentary democracy that many Brexiters want.
__________________
http://backofthenest.com/
If you’re on the left, disagree all you want, but for feck’s sake try to find it in your hearts to treat each other with a modicum of respect and refrain from vile personal abuse. If you’re on the right… just try to find your hearts. And good luck with that.
Reply With Quote
  #20274  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:14 PM
Maz's Avatar
Maz Maz is offline
Semper Idem
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: A place where nothing ever happens.
Posts: 157,244
Rep Power: 21474854
Maz has disabled reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by bagler View Post
The decision was made, be the majority of the voting people, it will be Parliament just rubber stamping it.
No, silly.

A decision was made to leave.

What Parliament will approve is how we leave, which is a much, much bigger decision.
__________________
..
..G
abba Gabba Hey

.פɐppɐ פɐppɐ Hǝʎ


Reply With Quote
  #20275  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:19 PM
rhino_mik's Avatar
rhino_mik rhino_mik is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Larndan
Posts: 9,181
Rep Power: 21474851
rhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by bagler View Post
I voted remain but would vote leave now as all this legal challenge isn't respecting the will of the majority of the people who voted.
Then you have no idea what the legal challenge was about. I suggest you educate yourself away from the tabloids.
__________________
,
Reply With Quote
  #20276  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:20 PM
rhino_mik's Avatar
rhino_mik rhino_mik is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Larndan
Posts: 9,181
Rep Power: 21474851
rhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is hererhino_mik Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglejez View Post
oops - new to this game
So in answer to your common question "are you new here", you have to be pre 2000 to answer "no"?
__________________
,
Reply With Quote
  #20277  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:20 PM
in-exile's Avatar
in-exile in-exile is offline
Hadron Collider
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Lamberhurst Kent...
Posts: 23,473
Rep Power: 21474846
in-exile has disabled reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickgusset View Post
Mp's vote on what they think is in the best interests of their constituents which may be different to what the constituents want. Otherwise they would be delegates.

Any changes in the law (which would happen if we ditched EU laws) need to be passed by parliament.
Delegates...Hummm somebody been listening to James O'Brien.... Being ex-Union allow me to prefer delegates..
Com'on it's just Remain timewasting .. treaties can be dissolved by governments .. No EU/UK laws that we already have could be changed without a parliamentary vote anyway!
In reality no rights are being taken away from UK citizens within the UK.

Last edited by in-exile; 24-01-2017 at 05:24 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #20278  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:22 PM
in-exile's Avatar
in-exile in-exile is offline
Hadron Collider
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Lamberhurst Kent...
Posts: 23,473
Rep Power: 21474846
in-exile has disabled reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maz View Post
No, silly.

A decision was made to leave.

What Parliament will approve is how we leave, which is a much, much bigger decision.
So not just a one line article 50 bill then ?
Reply With Quote
  #20279  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:23 PM
eaglejez eaglejez is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Deepest Surrey,England
Posts: 32,267
Rep Power: 21474856
eaglejez Sam the man is hereeaglejez Sam the man is hereeaglejez Sam the man is hereeaglejez Sam the man is hereeaglejez Sam the man is hereeaglejez Sam the man is hereeaglejez Sam the man is hereeaglejez Sam the man is hereeaglejez Sam the man is hereeaglejez Sam the man is hereeaglejez Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhino_mik View Post
Then I suggest you educate yourself away from the tabloids.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rhino_mik View Post
What the heck are financial services anyway? We sell algorithms no one understands with the promise of making numbers get bigger.
snigger
__________________
Five dollars...maybe I'll go to the movies...by myself
Reply With Quote
  #20280  
Old 24-01-2017, 05:24 PM
smileysmith's Avatar
smileysmith smileysmith is offline
Got my eagle eye on you.
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Gipsy Hill
Posts: 34,696
Rep Power: 21474854
smileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is heresmileysmith Sam the man is here
Excellent - To view the link you have to Register or Login
__________________
Free cloud space, sign up here: https://db.tt/gfum7zKa
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.