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Old 24-01-2017, 05:48 PM
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Old 24-01-2017, 05:50 PM
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So we would indeed be losing an important right.

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Old 24-01-2017, 05:51 PM
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I would think it's in UK law passed after a EU directive...But European flight trading rules are one of many things we need to get on with...
Well the aviation minister won't confirm that. I mean it's rather odd that he won't if they are going to put it into law....

Basically unless the Great Repeal Bill puts all EU law into U.K. Law without exception, your statement is crap. And as the UK, post Brexit, is not in a position to confer some of my rights and will choose not to provide me with others, again your statement is crap.

For instance at the moment if the UK is up shit creek I can take any money I choose to out of the UK and put it somewhere in the EU less up shit creek. There is little chance I'll be able to do that post Brexit as the Uk would impose capital controls.

And also if the UK respected the laws it is apparently going to put in to UK law, how come it finds itself taken to the ECJ with alarming regularity?
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Old 24-01-2017, 05:54 PM
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i am a UK citizen in the U.K. I have that right now. I won't in the future.

So currently if I get on a flight from the UK to a non EU destination and that is delayed by six hours I get 600 from the airline.

Will I still get that?
Surely you speak fluent German with a username like yours so you can fool them? I worked north of the border for so many years on and off I can speak with a Scottish accent if I put my mind to it. Jolly useful at away games in the north or midlands and I want to disguise myself from being a Londoner to get served in the home pubs.
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Well the aviation minister won't confirm that. I mean it's rather odd that he won't if they are going to put it into law....

Basically unless the Great Repeal Bill puts all EU law into U.K. Law without exception, your statement is crap. And as the UK, post Brexit, is not in a position to confer some of my rights and will choose not to provide me with others, again your statement is crap.

For instance at the moment if the UK is up shit creek I can take any money I choose to out of the UK and put it somewhere in the EU less up shit creek. There is little chance I'll be able to do that post Brexit as the Uk would impose capital controls.
My belief was all EU law already in UK law would stay and that any changes would go through our law making channel that is the UK Parliament....
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Old 24-01-2017, 05:58 PM
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My belief was all EU law already in UK law would stay and that any changes would go through our law making channel that is the UK Parliament....
if the UK properly followed EU law it wouldn't find itself at the ECJ ever, would it....

I mean there are various parts of our law that are inconsistent with EU law as it is, and I seriously doubt those will be amended.

So again, a loss of rights and your statement that we won't lose any rights becomes more and more farcical.
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Old 24-01-2017, 06:01 PM
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I'm sure you're happy working where you are..
I'm thinking more about my family and friends.

Not being a Brexiter, my thoughts tend to not only focus solely around my needs.
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if the UK properly followed EU law it wouldn't find itself at the ECJ ever, would it....

I mean there are various parts of our law that are inconsistent with EU law as it is, and I seriously doubt those will be amended.

So again, a loss of rights and your statement that we won't lose any rights becomes more and more farcical.
OK if you say so..Best you stuff that cash into pants and grab a flight out..
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Old 24-01-2017, 06:01 PM
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The same lady quite rightly told me doctors don't check on status and our hospitals don't have the infrastructure in place to make these checks also...
That link can only be full of estimates not real facts... Heard the same from more than one other London health professional...
So how does your source differentiate between "health tourists" and those people from the EU who are just resident in the UK?
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Old 24-01-2017, 06:02 PM
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So how does your source differentiate between "health tourists" and those people from the EU who are just resident in the UK?
You shouldn't discount the possibility that his source was a naughty fibber. Many doctors are, as surveys have proved ( a doctor told me that).
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Old 24-01-2017, 06:03 PM
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Surely you speak fluent German with a username like yours so you can fool them? I worked north of the border for so many years on and off I can speak with a Scottish accent if I put my mind to it. Jolly useful at away games in the north or midlands and I want to disguise myself from being a Londoner to get served in the home pubs.
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Old 24-01-2017, 06:04 PM
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I'm thinking more about my family and friends.

Not being a Brexiter, my thoughts tend to not only focus solely around my needs.
I voted not in my own personal or work interest..But purely on sovereignty and a belief the UK will be better off out.
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So how does your source differentiate between "health tourists" and those people from the EU who are just resident in the UK?
It would be by talking to them I guess.. Treatment would be over months and years within such a unit..
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Old 24-01-2017, 06:07 PM
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Very good. I had to check Google Translate to make sure what it meant. Sadly my days at school were more than 25 years ago.
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Old 24-01-2017, 06:11 PM
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My belief was all EU law already in UK law would stay and that any changes would go through our law making channel that is the UK Parliament....
That's only law that it is written into a dedicated Act and not all EU rules are managed that way. Some laws become laws through court judgements interpreting EU rules. Others work by being deemed to be already covered by statute e.g. Posted Workers.

So you need a law review or else you could just leave it until a case arises and then find out if Judges believe that the issue is covered by law or not...

Even then, the Government believes that for any EU laws that are written and that will be carried forward, it would then have the right to amend through secondary legislation which means minimum scrutiny.
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Very good. I had to check Google Translate to make sure what it meant. Sadly my days at school were more than 25 years ago.
Not very good unfortunately. Apparently that's not how you say it in German. You're supposed to say I have spoken no German, rather than I have not spoken German.

Well it was twenty five years ago, and I was better at Dutch.
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No UK rights for UK citizens in the UK I said....The EU would be controlling your rights to work in the EU or not....Not directly the UK government, it's not in their power to do so..
That's not true. Many of the rights in the category you describe are not written into EU laws but into national laws that give effect to Treaties e.g. rights of residency in France is given via French law. So if the UK withdraws from the Treaties then you should not assume that you have any rights that you acquired and were "vested" when the UK was in the EU. To be sure then Parliament would have to create those rights - and under our Constitution only Parliament can do that.
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Old 24-01-2017, 06:21 PM
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So what about humble flat owners in Spain? Will we be turfed out? I think in France that non-EU citizens, often Russians, have to pay higher rates of capital gains tax on their properties but right now in Spain I'm not sure how relevent CGT will be for most people.
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In your opinion would an amendment which states remaining part of the single market be permissable?

I ask, because if this amendment was key to triggering article 50 but then no agreement between and the UK and the EU is arrived at on this matter it would have been a complete waste of time adding the amendment. So I therefore wonder what the hell can be a valid amendment to a bill that is about triggering article 50 that will serve any purpose whatsoever.
I don't think anything on the SM will be permissible because the SM won't feature in the actual withdrawal agreement under A50 which is essentially a divorce agreement, settling on finances and dividing assets etc. It is not about how the parties work together after the divorce. That part comes in framework form only when the agreement is finalised and it is not negotiated as such or voted on by the Council. In short, this Bill doesn't pertain to future trade deals.

Valid amendments would be about Parliamentary process in implementing the Bill e.g. on setting objectives for the exit agreement (citizens rights etc) and on assessing those objectives (thr role of select committees). It might, in fact should, commit the Government to agreeing with Parliament the framework on the future relationship.
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That's not true. Many of the rights in the category you describe are not written into EU laws but into national laws that give effect to Treaties e.g. rights of residency in France is given via French law. So if the UK withdraws from the Treaties then you should not assume that you have any rights that you acquired and were "vested" when the UK was in the EU. To be sure then Parliament would have to create those rights - and under our Constitution only Parliament can do that.
In this post you tell me it's French law that let a Brit live and work in France...Then tell me our Parliament would have to create it after we leave???? How does that make sense and it pretty much works out how I posted...That the UK government wouldn't be taking this right away ...It would be up to the EU or as you correct me EU countries to keep or take the rights away.
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