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He is not a worse player, he is a different player. He now receives the ball and weighs up the options before deciding what to do. In the past he just used to pick up the ball and run with it.
It's just a shame that sometimes his decision making isn't as good as his dribbling...
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He is not a worse player, he is a different player. He now receives the ball and weighs up the options before deciding what to do. In the past he just used to pick up the ball and run with it.
Which is all well and good but how many times this season has he got me genuinely excited and in awe of his amazing skill, trickery and pace. Itís these rare qualities that make him so thrilling to watch. Take them away and heís an average footballer.
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Another reason I believe is the absence of Andros, we look so much better when we have wide players either side.

But as was stated earlier, he really needs to get his head right, on Tuesday night against Southampton, if he'd decided to humiliate Ward Prowse, instead of allowing him to get in his head, the result could have been all so different.
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It's just a shame that sometimes his decision making isn't as good as his dribbling...
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It's just a shame that sometimes his decision making isn't as good as his dribbling...
Not really, if that was the case he'd be long gone as a Palace player
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It's just a shame that sometimes his decision making isn't as good as his dribbling...

I'm afraid it's his temperament that is really holding him back.
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..... less defensive responsibility and therefore more energy to do something meaningful on the ball, .....
I don't think this is the case personally. There are lots of reasons as to why he has looked less than his best this season but I don't think having more defensive responsibility is particularly one of them. Pardew had him all but playing RB or LB at times he was coming back so deep. Very effectively BTW and still getting back up the pitch to wreak havoc in attack. He has been improving every year at Palace and defensive chores aren't new to him. He had parts of last year where he was attempting to change to a forward role in a 442 where he had a defensive role still but with less need to come back quite so deep.

I don't think he has the awareness/mobility to simply stay high. Too easily marked and passes to him blocked because of that. He wants it to feet and always seems to be better receiving it deeper and then driving forward. At least that way he sucks the defender deep too, making space behind.

TBH I don't think he has been anywhere as diligent at the defensive side this season and several times he has looked as if he is going through the motions a little. Other examples where he has sprinted back brilliantly - but definitely a bit inconsistent.

With the loss of Andros and even ward on the right hand side it's just all too obvious where the ball ends up and that hasn't helped. His head still seems in and out of focus to me and once he gets that sorted and some help on the pitch he will hopefully blossom. Even in his current state he is our biggest threat.
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I don't think this is the case personally. There are lots of reasons as to why he has looked less than his best this season but I don't think having more defensive responsibility is particularly one of them. Pardew had him all but playing RB or LB at times he was coming back so deep. Very effectively BTW and still getting back up the pitch to wreak havoc in attack. He has been improving every year at Palace and defensive chores aren't new to him. He had parts of last year where he was attempting to change to a forward role in a 442 where he had a defensive role still but with less need to come back quite so deep.

I don't think he has the awareness/mobility to simply stay high. Too easily marked and passes to him blocked because of that. He wants it to feet and always seems to be better receiving it deeper and then driving forward. At least that way he sucks the defender deep too, making space behind.

TBH I don't think he has been anywhere as diligent at the defensive side this season and several times he has looked as if he is going through the motions a little. Other examples where he has sprinted back brilliantly - but definitely a bit inconsistent.

With the loss of Andros and even ward on the right hand side it's just all too obvious where the ball ends up and that hasn't helped. His head still seems in and out of focus to me and once he gets that sorted and some help on the pitch he will hopefully blossom. Even in his current state he is our biggest threat.
He was playing as a striker when he had that great patch of form in 17-18 season.
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He was playing as a striker when he had that great patch of form in 17-18 season.
But if you remember half the people in here were saying how he wasnít playing as well up front and he needed to be put back out wide.

I might be wrong but I almost think the reverse. He can cope physically with the workload and is far more engaged and involved , whereas when he is playing up front he simply doesnít have the movement Or make the runs to get the ball. itís how I see it at least.
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He was playing as a striker when he had that great patch of form in 17-18 season.
He was consistently moved back out wide during games and thatís where most his goals came from

We are so lopsided at moment wilf is doubled and tripled up all the time
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He was consistently moved back out wide during games and thatís where most his goals came from

We are so lopsided at moment wilf is doubled and tripled up all the time
Yes, you are absolutely right. He was coming in off the left a lot but he was still getting closer to the central striker.
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He hasn’t done well since injuries removed any attacking threat on the other side of the pitch. All the attacks come down the left so it is easy for teams to snuff him out. As soon as players who have the capability to attack are playing on the right side, I have no doubt Wilf will be back to his terrifying best.
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I don't think this is the case personally. There are lots of reasons as to why he has looked less than his best this season but I don't think having more defensive responsibility is particularly one of them. Pardew had him all but playing RB or LB at times he was coming back so deep. Very effectively BTW and still getting back up the pitch to wreak havoc in attack. He has been improving every year at Palace and defensive chores aren't new to him. He had parts of last year where he was attempting to change to a forward role in a 442 where he had a defensive role still but with less need to come back quite so deep.

I don't think he has the awareness/mobility to simply stay high. Too easily marked and passes to him blocked because of that. He wants it to feet and always seems to be better receiving it deeper and then driving forward. At least that way he sucks the defender deep too, making space behind.

TBH I don't think he has been anywhere as diligent at the defensive side this season and several times he has looked as if he is going through the motions a little. Other examples where he has sprinted back brilliantly - but definitely a bit inconsistent.

With the loss of Andros and even ward on the right hand side it's just all too obvious where the ball ends up and that hasn't helped. His head still seems in and out of focus to me and once he gets that sorted and some help on the pitch he will hopefully blossom. Even in his current state he is our biggest threat.
Very good summary Martin H. Hes been very inconsistent this season but even when hes not on top form he's still a bonus for us as he occupies defenders and the opposition are aware of the damage he can cause
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