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Old 17-04-2021, 10:54 PM
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His politics led to long term disillusionment and did big harm to society in the areas mentioned yes.
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We hear many Tory voters protesting that they only voted that way because there was no alternative.

And yet at the same time some were at pains to persuade Labour voters that they were wasting their time voting Labour, that they needed to learn their lesson that Labour under Corbyn was "unelectable". The British electorate would never vote for such a far left party. Labour didn't have a cat in hell's chance of winning, and all that sort of thing.

There can't have been many constituencies without a centrist candidate. So they didn't really need to vote Tory at all.

But they did so anyway, just in case, I suppose.

It is a convenient shield to hide their true colours.
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Old 17-04-2021, 11:09 PM
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Lib Dems, Green Party. You don't have to automatically vote Tory or Labour.
The bloke has no shame.

Heís an enabler, probably actually likes the way things have gone. Actually embraces sleaze, corruption and cronyism. Never did me any harm.

Thereís no other explanation. He certainly didnít respond to your eminently sensible suggestion.

Trouble is even old Workshop knows heís been duped into voting for a shambolic shower of *****. He just canít admit it.

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Old 18-04-2021, 05:41 AM
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Lib Dems, Green Party. You don't have to automatically vote Tory or Labour.
Neither were/are serious alternatives
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Old 18-04-2021, 05:53 AM
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The bloke has no shame.

Heís an enabler, probably actually likes the way things have gone. Actually embraces sleaze, corruption and cronyism. Never did me any harm.

Thereís no other explanation. He certainly didnít respond to your eminently sensible suggestion.

Trouble is even old Workshop knows heís been duped into voting for a shambolic shower of *****. He just canít admit it.

Funny old game.
More lies and nonsense from the Nipple.

Whoíd have thunk it.

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Old 18-04-2021, 05:54 AM
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Old 18-04-2021, 06:33 AM
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Neither were/are serious alternatives
Sorry, I didn't realise that the Lib Dems propped up the Tory Govt for 5 years from 2010 and that the Green Party, care passionately about the environment, which we all should.
They might not be serious alternatives to the likes of you, but they are worth considering.
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Sorry, I didn't realise that the Lib Dems propped up the Tory Govt for 5 years from 2010 and that the Green Party, care passionately about the environment, which we all should.
They might not be serious alternatives to the likes of you, but they are worth considering.
The likes of me?

Maybe look at the voting figures
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The bloke has no shame.

Heís an enabler, probably actually likes the way things have gone. Actually embraces sleaze, corruption and cronyism. Never did me any harm.

Thereís no other explanation. He certainly didnít respond to your eminently sensible suggestion.

Trouble is even old Workshop knows heís been duped into voting for a shambolic shower of *****. He just canít admit it.

Funny old game.
I did respond to him, but didn't quote his post. I've not actually got him on ignore, but try to ignore his posts.
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Old 18-04-2021, 06:49 AM
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Yep lol,1997, 2001, and 2005, Blair was the Labour Party's longest-serving prime minister.

Made some big mistakes that do not have to be repeated( a lot of good was also done in those 3 terms) but my kind of politics was real rather than a little blip with no power or end result with just shouty continuous rhetoric that most laugh at as it's a fantasy that no one takes that seriously.

It makes a lot of noise, mind but that's about it
Actually socialist politics and movements have led to huge changes and are why we have much of the progressive parts of society today.

But the point is 16 years have passed since 2005. When in power the Blair government did some very nasty things where the suffering is still felt today, including forms of racism which you were and are happy to brush under the carpet. But 16 years is a long time and where are your politics now? Failing it would seem.
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Old 18-04-2021, 06:50 AM
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I did respond to him, but try to ignore his posts.
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Old 18-04-2021, 08:21 AM
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Actually socialist politics and movements have led to huge changes and are why we have much of the progressive parts of society today.

But the point is 16 years have passed since 2005. When in power the Blair government did some very nasty things where the suffering is still felt today, including forms of racism which you were and are happy to brush under the carpet. But 16 years is a long time and where are your politics now? Failing it would seem.
Ok let's try another approach,. Your politics has had 16 years to change things and You failed , and failed in quite spectacular fashion , especially against a Theresa may government that was on its knees and there for the taking . The last election was an even bigger failure . So Your politics is hardly in a position to claim failure as a win over centrism .
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Old 18-04-2021, 08:23 AM
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Ok let's try another approach,. Your politics has had 16 years to change things and You failed , and failed in quite spectacular fashion , especially against a Theresa may government that was on its knees and there for the taking . The last election was an even bigger failure . So Your politics is hardly in a position to claim failure as a win over centrism .
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Old 18-04-2021, 08:26 AM
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Neither were/are serious alternatives
This is bollocks.

When the two main parties are both a) racist, and b) economically illiterate, then pretty much everyone who isn’t a) racist and b) economically illiterate is a serious alternative. Because being a racist and economically illiterate party means you are not yourselves serious.
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Old 18-04-2021, 08:32 AM
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This is bollocks.

When the two main parties are both a) racist, and b) economically illiterate, then pretty much everyone who isnít a) racist and b) economically illiterate is a serious alternative. Because being a racist and economically illiterate party means you are not yourselves serious.
And the reason these parties got the total sum of feck all of the vote?
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It's pointless. I will lose the bet and if I'm lucky I have 70 years left in me. The Tories are going to be in power for at least the next 20. If they are not, it's because something comes along from the right to hurt them. The left are finished electorally. What people on this thread fail to accept is the centre as they know it is finished too. It will just shift right and a new centre will be formed.
You must be extremely young. What happens when you get older you start to be more aware of the flip side of arguments. This inevitably moves opinions to right. Your views will change and you'll be voting tory by the time you are 50.
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And the reason these parties got the total sum of feck all of the vote?
People are thick as mince

Or they like racism and economic illiteracy

You voted Tory to stop Corbyn, yes? What was it about Johnson’s racism and economically illiterate manifesto that appealed to you in a way that Corbyn’s racism and economically illiterate manifesto did not?
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