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Old 02-08-2016, 12:16 PM
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Your use of stats doesn't tell the whole story. There's no causation between Jedi playing those games and the win/loss ratio. Barely probably a correlation. So many other factors that would have been important in these games.
Tells a more realistic story than a baseless opinion spouted.

I'd like to see possession stats with and without him in the team.

I adore Jedinak but he's clearly not going to feature much and probably isn't the player we need anymore if we're honest.
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I dont understand comments like this? He isn't going to feature much this year and barring 9 months under Pulis he has showed that he isn't quite up to this level. Love the bloke to bits for what he has done for the club, helping us get to the Premier League and keeping us there but when someones time is up its up. What do you want us to do??
I suppose he could take on the Paddy McCarthy role?
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He's looked OK against third division standard teams. Not sure this means he can suddenly become a premier league player after falling well short these past 2 seasons.
Against Fulham I thought he looked ok when he dropped deeper. I guess its all about opinions but I think he could still be useful.
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Your use of stats doesn't tell the whole story. There's no causation between Jedi playing those games and the win/loss ratio. Barely probably a correlation. So many other factors that would have been important in these games.
I disagree that there is no causation.

The stats in themselves might not tell the whole story and yes other things affected those games but there is no doubt that in the games he played we had worse then relegation form. All other players who played in the similar role had FAR better records.

Did you know last season that when Dann, Cabaye, Bolasie and Wickham were on the pitch together we never 'lost' that period of football?

Our best defender, our best midfielder, our best striker and our most creative player. Those players playing meant we were an attacking threat, we occupied teams in their final 3rd and took pressure off the defence. When we were attacked Cabaye did a good job snuffing out the threat in midfield and Dann was often assured at the back.

The problem is we so rarely got them all on the pitch at the same time.

Conversely when Jedinak plays he sits back, invites pressure. He wind the ball in the air and then gives it away with his passing. All in we spend far more time defending when he plays as opposed to attacking. Net results is more draws and defeats as we start conceding more and scoring less.
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Jedinak will move on with our thanks and respect. Never stayed anywhere long before coming to us. Mutch I've never been a fan of but good luck. Wilf isn't going anywhere.
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Jedinak brings a sense of togetherness. Thoughts of offload is tampering with the DNA. Mutch has never been given a chance of a run in the first team. Hope this is bullshit.
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Another thing, Pardew showed last season he favours 442. Jedinak is half the player in such a formation. In his first season with us, Dougie favoured 2 up top. Jedinak was pretty average - maybe that was down partly to getting used to football over here. However, in a midfield 3, his lack of mobility isn't an issue. With just 2 in midfield, he gets shown up hugely for just how slow he is.

Saying that, I hate 442.
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Let's get overrun in midfield with Cabaye and McCarthur, ridiculous decision regarding Jedinak, if true.
That's the point, our midfield is weaker with Cabaye last year than the year before and Cabaye being there unsettled Punch ....last year we were much more often overpowered in midfield.....you could see the goals coming as our midfield then defense was pulled about and apart!
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As much as Jedi is an important player, if we can sell him and Mutch and bring in a creative MF then it would be a win for the squad.
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Old 02-08-2016, 12:32 PM
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It depends on what you mean by respect.

Would it be respectful to expect him to stay at Palace and play a bit-part, when he's probably still capable of playing regularly at another club?

Should Alan Pardew not be allowed to make decisions that he feels might improve the squad?
Slowly but surely, one by one, we are losing our tough guys, the 'captains on the field', without adequate replacements. Is that because Pardew hates strong characters who will express an opinion ?
Better start hoping that Tomkins steps up to the plate.
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That's the point, our midfield is weaker with Cabaye last year than the year before and Cabaye being there unsettled Punch ....last year we were much more often overpowered in midfield.....you could see the goals coming as our midfield then defense was pulled about and apart!
We flourished after Pardew took over - when a certain midfielder was at the Asian Cup & struggled to regain his place when he returned...especially after being banned for a needless elbow. So you're talking nonsense.
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We flourished after Pardew took over - when a certain midfielder was at the Asian Cup & struggled to regain his place when he returned...especially after being banned for a needless elbow. So you're talking nonsense.
So why did AP bring him back into the team?
Also which midfield finished higher?
Plus i'm more taking about Cabaye unbalance of the midfield.
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That's the point, our midfield is weaker with Cabaye last year than the year before and Cabaye being there unsettled Punch ....last year we were much more often overpowered in midfield.....you could see the goals coming as our midfield then defense was pulled about and apart!
That is a huge leap to blame Cabaye for Punch's drop in form last season!
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We flourished after Pardew took over - when a certain midfielder was at the Asian Cup & struggled to regain his place when he returned...especially after being banned for a needless elbow. So you're talking nonsense.
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Jedi is in our DNA, his passing has never been great and is not the the fastest. But he will put in a shift and battle for you. It will be sad to see him go. On reflection I do not see another PL team coming in for these 2, so that is reason enough to sell.
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So why did AP bring him back into the team?
Also which midfield finished higher?
2014/15? To have a look at him, as he'd just joined as manager? Even then, it was often McArthur, Ledley & Punch who played & we excelled with.

2015/16? Because McArthur was injured, as was Cabaye on & off?

Please come back to me with our form once he did come back into the side also. Cheers. The side with McArthur, Ledley & Puncheon finished higher FYI bbz.
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If the fee is decent, I'd sell both of them. Jedinak is getting slower and slower, and his physicality was always what made him a good player, not his technical skills.

Mutch has promise still, but probably hasn't developed into the player he could've been.
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Jedi and Mutch on their way out?!

I'd keep Jedinak over Ledley just as given The Euros Ledleys value may be at its peak. Mutch is one that definitely needs to go to a Championship club. In the right formation for a side with playoff ambitions he could have a season similar to what Bannan has just had.
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So why did AP bring him back into the team?
Also which midfield finished higher?
Palace scored more points WITHOUT Jedinak in the team than they did with him - FACT

But for injuries to Cabaye, McArthur and Ledley and the need to play Jedinak we probably would have finished higher up the table. We won only 1 league game when he started! He started just 1 of the games when we were playing well. He came in during 2016 and our form was disastrous. No he was not solely to blame for that but he was also not able to inspire the team out of it either.
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So why did AP bring him back into the team?
Also which midfield finished higher?
Plus i'm more taking about Cabaye unbalance of the midfield.
Didn't realise the league table was based purely on midfields??

We were 5th at Xmas last year before our injury crisis derailed the rhythm and momentum we built up. Had we kept that team together from the first half of the season i'm confident we would have finished in the top half and surpassed our 10th place finish the season before. The same 10th place finish that Jedinak wasn't really involved in from January through to April.
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