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Old 07-04-2020, 08:54 PM
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The term "resigned" is used very loosely!
But didn't trump say he only hired the best!
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Old 07-04-2020, 09:14 PM
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I guess the most recent clips you haven't seen. Polls don't mean much these days. The last election proved that. The corona virus and the actions the GOP and white house are trying to take will also have a major effect on how we vote or even if our votes are counted
I guess not. Which clips/transcripts were they?

Re polls, agree. Far too far out. But still, itís hard to make the case that the guy beating both Trump and his rival is the wrong candidate

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Old 07-04-2020, 09:49 PM
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President Donald Trump has removed the acting inspector general for the Defense Department, Glenn Fine, from his post -- a decision that means Fine will no longer chair the Pandemic Response Accountability Committee tasked with overseeing $2 trillion in emergency coronavirus funding.
Late last month, a group of independent federal watchdogs tapped Fine, a career official, to lead the group tasked with preventing "waste, fraud, and abuse" in the use of coronavirus relief money.
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I guess not. Which clips/transcripts were they?

Re polls, agree. Far too far out. But still, itís hard to make the case that the guy beating both Trump and his rival is the wrong candidate

I still have Trump as favourite mind.
Given Sanders has lost the nomination it would be fairly astounding at this point if Biden wasnít doing better than him in the polls.
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Old 07-04-2020, 11:16 PM
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For some bizarre reason you can get Trump at evens and Biden at 13/10.I would lump on both.
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Old 07-04-2020, 11:38 PM
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I guess the most recent clips you haven't seen. Polls don't mean much these days. The last election proved that. The corona virus and the actions the GOP and white house are trying to take will also have a major effect on how we vote or even if our votes are counted
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Re polls, agree. Far too far out.
Much will change. In fact, there is a fairly good reason for believing that To view the link you have to Register or Login despite his textbook terrible handling of it. Depressingly, the candidate best disposed to defeat him is Elizabeth Warren, who is now, of course, gone.


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Old 08-04-2020, 02:23 AM
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Bidden did a live interview this evening on CNN. Came across fine.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:39 AM
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For some bizarre reason you can get Trump at evens and Biden at 13/10.I would lump on both.
But it could be neither
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Old 08-04-2020, 05:12 AM
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I remain impressed that Trump can keep a straight face when he says that he’s stopping payments to the WHO and then a minute or so later deny he said that.
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Old 08-04-2020, 05:22 AM
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I remain impressed that Trump can keep a straight face when he says that heís stopping payments to the WHO and then a minute or so later deny he said that.
Has he said it more than once?
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Old 08-04-2020, 05:36 AM
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Has he said it more than once?
Almost certainly.

More than once in the last 24 hours, quite possibly
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Old 08-04-2020, 06:24 AM
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Clinton complacently thought she was up against the worst presidential candidate in history. Unfortunately he was only the second worst.

She did win the most votes but California does distort things - a cheese string would win there if it was the Democrat candidate. Take California out and Trump wins on votes too. Which is still unbelievable as he was an awful candidate, plus he had most of the MSM against him.
If you arbitrarily discount one candidate's votes, the other candidate tends to win, funnily enough.
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Almost certainly.

More than once in the last 24 hours, quite possibly
I watched 20 minutes of his rambling press conference last night. He absolutely said he was going to stop WHO funding, then changed tack. Like so many of his lectern pieces, you can tell when he's reading from the script (carefully prepared lines, stats, facts etc from his comms team, all delivered in a stilted fashion), but then goes off piste and starts waffling, riffing and clearly lying about things in his NY hustler / game show host persona. He's getting worse too, as this crisis deepens and his ability to control it diminishes.
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I watched 20 minutes of his rambling press conference last night. He absolutely said he was going to stop WHO funding, then changed tack. Like so many of his lectern pieces, you can tell when he's reading from the script (carefully prepared lines, stats, facts etc from his comms team, all delivered in a stilted fashion), but then goes off piste and starts waffling, riffing and clearly lying about things in his NY hustler / game show host persona. He's getting worse too, as this crisis deepens and his ability to control it diminishes.
The small amount of good news for parts of America is that the individual states have some power for when the president decides to be a complete idiot.
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Well done. Who knew?

You said "They are not really. She lost because her campaign message was all about Trump being a nasty man - so elect me instead.

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She was f*cking doomed to failure, which the election so proved."

That is undermined by the fact she got a lot more votes, and failed by small margins in places she took for granted as I previously stated. Any level of effort in three states, instead of a complete lack of effort, would almost certainly have pushed her over the line in 2016. Yes she was a poor candidate, but she ran a poor campaign, had a lackluster message, and didn't engage with the voters in many key places. Those were all, ultimately, choices she made: that undermines the doomed to failure argument. If pretending its mono-causal helps you to come to grips with it because its simple, good for you.
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Heís even behind in Florida in the latest poll there.
I saw that. That is a surprise because of all the old folks who vote for him. Mind you, if Covid 19 gets bad there he will have helped kill off many of his own supporters.
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Transcripts from Bidens last couple of interviews/answers are very troubling. His mind is going and now his wife is being brought in to save embarrassment. The Dems are fekking up again with an unelectable candidate who will not be able to beat trump in a debate. Biden has refused to debate Bernie for this reason. I hate to say it, but unless the Dems do something soon, its Trumps election to lose
What's your evidence for that? And let's compare the transcripts with Bernie's praising of China and Cuba and defense of the gun lobby. That should get him over the line.

Biden is greatly flawed, but he is the least flawed of the three. As has been shown in any number of recent polls.
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He needs to stay in his cellar and not speak and the election is his. His interviews continue to be a disaster.
He has done some town halls recently which have been pretty well received. Which interviews are you referring to. I know the first online town hall was a technical train wreck, but since then they've been fairly decent (albeit clearing the low bar set by Trump or Bernie).
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