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Old 22-11-2020, 11:39 AM
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Starting to wonder if it might be worth organising another 2010 style protest outside Sainsburys
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Old 22-11-2020, 11:46 AM
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Old 22-11-2020, 11:48 AM
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I have absolutely no idea how much Sainsbury's want for their land but they have zero need to sell as far as I know.
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Old 22-11-2020, 11:50 AM
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No one is , but he is dealing with our best interests. Sainsburys are for their shareholders. I know who I’m with.
Me too ... Palace .. but let's not buy into Palace good Supermarket bad Bullshit..
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Old 22-11-2020, 12:03 PM
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I have absolutely no idea how much Sainsbury's want for their land but they have zero need to sell as far as I know.
All part of the negotiation
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Old 22-11-2020, 12:11 PM
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All part of the negotiation
Yes but they, (Sainsbury's), have no need or, as far as I know, any desire to sell therefore why would they drop whatever the price is now?
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Old 22-11-2020, 12:12 PM
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Maybe Sainsbury's could mobilise their shareholders to picket our training ground to put pressure on Palace to pay a higher price?
Oh wait they don't really need to sell
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Old 22-11-2020, 12:15 PM
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I can only think of compulsory purchase which can only be done by the Council. It is possible that the Council could use its CPO powers to buy the strip from Sainsbury’s but the value would still be on a ransom basis, albeit fixed by a tribunal, and Palace would have to underwrite the costs. However Croydon Council is a bankrupt and incompetent organisation, so it’s very unlikely.
Whilst incompetent they may be it is clear it is in their interest to get this through. Let’s hope something can be done. It does seem crazy that a largely unused tiny strip of land can hold up a multi million pound protect that would benefit thousands of fans, create employment for many local residents and financially benefit the wider community.

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Old 22-11-2020, 12:17 PM
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I have absolutely no idea how much Sainsbury's want for their land but they have zero need to sell as far as I know.
Rumours that they want £5 million.
When you look at the plans, its hardly a slither of land.
I feel Parish will need to get nearer their valuation, unfortunately they hold the aces, and have no real reason to sell, but this could change now the problem has been made public.
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Old 22-11-2020, 12:22 PM
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Yeah good point and likely what will happen. Not sure how financially viable it will be but I agree cheaper tickets are the only way to resolve it.
Maybe revert the front half of the AW to the old 'Arthur Wait Enclosure' configuration (ie rail standing), that way the seats in the back half get the concourse to themselves, which was a much more managable concourse capacity. And make rail standing 20 quid. Standing area is then full, best acoustics in the ground, HF performing right on front of the new tv camera position, and the E400 get their old block back
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Old 22-11-2020, 12:23 PM
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Is it that it includes the main carpark in front of the new stand though, as we do actually need it for the stand not just the corner strip...?
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Old 22-11-2020, 12:24 PM
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Yes but they, (Sainsbury's), have no need or, as far as I know, any desire to sell therefore why would they drop whatever the price is now?
Because no one else will ever pay them anything near ransom value for a small strip of land. If Palace decide to walk away or find another solution, they end up with a worthless strip of land and possibly public criticism for blocking the redevelopment.
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Old 22-11-2020, 12:26 PM
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Maybe revert the front half of the AW to the old 'Arthur Wait Enclosure' configuration (ie rail standing), that way the seats in the back half get the concourse to themselves, which was a much more managable concourse capacity. And make rail standing 20 quid. Standing area is then full, best acoustics in the ground, HF performing right on front of the new tv camera position, and the E400 get their old block back
You would need to take the away fans to behind the Sainsbury's end goal and give the AW new lower some space behind the Sky TV box from the stairs that side for loos and food like the away area at the other end of the stand.
Or better still join it up with the lower Holmesdale..
And we lose cash on the seats because railseating is one for one for seats it replaces..
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Maybe revert the front half of the AW to the old 'Arthur Wait Enclosure' configuration (ie rail standing), that way the seats in the back half get the concourse to themselves, which was a much more managable concourse capacity. And make rail standing 20 quid. Standing area is then full, best acoustics in the ground, HF performing right on front of the new tv camera position, and the E400 get their old block back
If only, great memories of standing there in the 80s. 917L makes a good point though, in that it won't be the centre sections with the best views that will be empty but the sides and at the back.

I guess the positives are the club could bring back the tickets for schools and local community like they did in the championship.
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I’ve been in this position several times in my career. There are only two solutions; find an alternative development proposal which avoids the random strip (which I would guess is what’s happening now) or negotiate.
This is all that is happening. Some people seem to think this is Parish waving a white flag. This public address is a chess move in the negotiation.
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Because no one else will ever pay them anything near ransom value for a small strip of land. If Palace decide to walk away or find another solution, they end up with a worthless strip of land and possibly public criticism for blocking the redevelopment.
Would there be much public criticism in reality? Clearly as Palace fans who want to see a stand built, there may be some from us, but the wider populace is unlikely to care greatly that a Premier League football club is unable to build a stand in the way it wants.
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Starting to wonder if it might be worth organising another 2010 style protest outside Sainsburys
I think that's why Parish mentioned it.
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....the wider populace is unlikely to care greatly that a Premier League football club is unable to build a stand in the way it wants.
The club can build the stand exactly as it wants, the Council approved the somewhat brutal design, the Mayor of London has given his approval, now the club is baulking at the reality of the scale of what they have planned.

It is just part of the process of getting the best deal. Every year it drags on the club is milions richer
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The club will pay for it, but not until they have fought for the best deal.

There is one factor which is covid. Obviously with out supporters at games this would seem like a good opportunity. Depends how quick the building work could start and if really this is the last piece of the puzzle.

This talk over the piece of land is a good thing, for me it shows the club are dealing with it now.
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