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Old 23-01-2017, 10:21 PM
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From Holland. The LABOUR employment minister.

Saying exactly the same things we did and also saying that FOM should be reformed as its not working.

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Old 23-01-2017, 10:24 PM
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From Holland. The LABOUR employment minister.

Saying exactly the same things we did and also saying that FOM should be reformed as its not working.

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Reformed ? It should be scrapped totally. Still at least they recognise it isnt working and that many Europeans now want it halted.
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Old 23-01-2017, 10:29 PM
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The EU did not cripple the Greek economy, they ****ed that up themseles. The treatment might not have been the best but they were up shit creek and needed a paddle. The Greeks had to be stopped fom destroying their own economy.
If it were just Greece I would agree. But it's not.

Greece screwed themselves by lying twice about their GDP and then coming cap in hand. The EU screwed up by allowing them to join in the first place without sorting out the tax free status of the Greek islands first. They waited until the shit hit the fan and then told them they had to do something about it. They refused.

What has caused the med countries to have such a long and deep recession is their inability to do anything about it as they have no control over their currency or interest rates. When they had their own currencies they would allow their currency to devalue and push up interest rates.

This would encourage investors to invest and holiday makers to go there as it would be cheaper.

Add to that the EU insisting on cuts and more cuts and you have a downward self sustaining spiral.
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Old 23-01-2017, 10:34 PM
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Wow. Maybe he could use some of the mega profits from getting Angel Trains for a pittance post privatisation to set up a fund for the deserving poor who are going to not be able to send their kids abroad to study like everyone else

Of all the people for a raving lefty to quote. have you seen how he got rich
And the man who upped sticks and moved to Guernsey, a tax haven.
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Despite there being no evidence that migration has any real affect on wages and unemployment just keep repeating it does. More people means supply and demand goes up. It's also why as populations boomed in the 19th and 20th century you didn't see a world going backwards, but instead making huge advances.

It's just the mark of a moron to blame migration and not austerity.
Funny how average life expectancy in most of England went down from 1800-1850, at the same time as the population skyrocketed. It must have been all those massive wage increases that made people die younger.

Do you really believe that if the UK threw open its borders and invited anyone who wanted to come here that, as the 5 millionth impoverished Chinese or Indian or Senegalese worker arrived here, wages for ordinary working people already here would be shooting up?
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Old 23-01-2017, 10:48 PM
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The EU did not cripple the Greek economy, they ****ed that up themseles. The treatment might not have been the best but they were up shit creek and needed a paddle. The Greeks had to be stopped fom destroying their own economy.
The Greek economy was destroyed by the ECB in conjunction with the IMF and the EC. No one who looked at the numbers thought the Greek govt could repay, no one thinks that now but the fantasy that they can - via the usual structural reforms, natch - is being played out ruthlessly. It's quite something when even the international vampires in the IMF are publicly doubting whether further cuts to public spending would work, but were over-ruled by the ECB and the EC (presumably under German pressure).

So long as the northern European countries enjoy a permanent trade surplus with the southern ones, and so long as the southern economies cannot resort to devaluation (which they can't when they share a currency) then a south european debt crisis is utterly inevitable and the only solution is either (1) find a way to recycle northern surpluses to the south or (2) permanent contraction for the southern economies.

The ECB/EC/Germany chose the second.
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Despite there being no evidence that migration has any real affect on wages and unemployment just keep repeating it does. More people means supply and demand goes up. It's also why as populations boomed in the 19th and 20th century you didn't see a world going backwards, but instead making huge advances.

It's just the mark of a moron to blame migration and not austerity.
In all likelihood kids studying history at school and young adults at university will be asked to write very long essays explaining the "various causes of Brexit" this year.

I reckon to score above a D or a third they will at least need to discuss immigration and the effect it had on the psyche of the uk populace. The popular vote might be wrong - I disagree with it - but to ignore it misses the point.
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I support "support a system that benefits 'lighter skinned' Europeans"? What does that mean? What alternative system do you support?
You are happy with immigration to be easy for light skinned Europeans as opposed to people from non Europe. A fairer system would be for all people throughout the world to be treated the same with regards to immigration.
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And the man who upped sticks and moved to Guernsey, a tax haven.
Yep. I can respect any political persuasion or argument but I can't respect people who don't pay their fair due of taxes
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Supreme Court Rules Government cannot trigger Article 50 without an Act of Parliament.
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Brexit wont happen now I reckon! Too much power in the hands of too few people in high places who stand to lose too much should we leave the EU.

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Even more interesting is that three of the judges thought the Government was right. How?
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Even more interesting is that three of the judges thought the Government was right. How?
I presume that the published ruling will make that clear.

Anyway, anything that makes Nigel Farage unhappy can only be a good thing.
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Brexit wont happen now I reckon! Too much power in the hands of too few people in high places who stand to lose too much should we leave the EU.

Total Stitchup.
Which bits of the ruling did you disagree with?

Article 50 will still happen and probably still on timetable.
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Brexit wont happen now I reckon! Too much power in the hands of too few people in high places who stand to lose too much should we leave the EU.

Total Stitchup.
No, it will happen as this is a Tory baby and they have a powerful majority in The Commons. What is does mean, of course, is that there will now be more scrutiny rather than just a dictatorial push through. Everyone should be pleased with that. Less destructive, hopefully.
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