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Old 16-01-2017, 01:41 PM
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Wow, coming up to six months after the referendum and people still think "remoaners" is an amusing and/or accurate term to use in an adult forum. Grow up boys
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Old 16-01-2017, 01:42 PM
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OK just to clear up the facts.

Up until 1962 we were the second largest economy (by GDP) in the world.

Ranking: USA, UK, France, Japan, Italy, China

Prior to joining the Common Market on 1 January 1973 the 1972 rankings were:

US, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Italy

The Labour government then held a referendum on 5 June 1975 as to our continuing membership. The rankings had not changed from 1972.

The 2014 rankings (i have used the same source and these were the latest) were:

US, China, Japan, Germany, UK, France

For some reason Germany only first appeared in the rankings in 1971 at number two. Perhaps someone can explain why.

Yes we were labelled the 'sick man of Europe' in the 1970s.

I suppose one could argue that our membership has helped us maintain our 5th place ranking (we are probably 6th now). On the other hand I very much doubt that not joining would have seen us ranked higher.
We should form a trading bloc with some of our similarly powerful neighbours - Germany, France, Italy -places like that. We have a lot in common, culturally, politically, historically and geographically and if we make a common cause, it could almost guarantee peace on a, historically, very fractious continent.
It would be a win / win. What do you reckon?
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Old 16-01-2017, 01:45 PM
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The Dutch labour minister isn't convinced that the current model of free movement is working and it is being used as a business model for cutting wages?
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Yeah and that has sweet FA to do with the EU. It does have something to do with neo liberal policies over decades and a Tory government. And guess what we still have that. Doh!
You always make me laugh. Well done. I knew you'd be on blaming the tories, only a matter of time.
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Judges do make laws through case law and common law.

As for the house of lords, it's stuffed full of toffs and is unelected. No sovereignty there that's for sure.
Mostly labour, labour stuffed it with champagne socialists while they were in power.
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Wow, coming up to six months after the referendum and people still think "remoaners" is an amusing and/or accurate term to use in an adult forum. Grow up boys
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To be fair re the charts around our place in the league table we did have a post imperial down cycle and of course there was some stuff under the sea bed in the North Sea, Morecambe Bay and Wytch Farm that may have helped our position.
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Wow, coming up to six months after the referendum and people still think "remoaners" is an amusing and/or accurate term to use in an adult forum. Grow up boys
its coming up to 7 months after the referendum. Typical remoaner getting facts wrong
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Old 16-01-2017, 01:50 PM
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It's not moaning or meltdown.

Most people I know are suffering from a Tory government. Something that will get even worse once we leave the EU. I also have loved ones who are EU migrants who will have horrible decisions once we leave the EU, like whether they can go back and care for sick parents and then not be able to return here where they have built a life, or not be able to care for their parents. Also after the EU their family and friends won't be able to join them here and live here. It's grim. Remoaning is just a phrase that is taking the piss of lives being messed up.
you do realise that no one is being kicked out don't you ? So if Labour had won in 2015 everything would be ok for them would it ?
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Old 16-01-2017, 02:36 PM
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What a ridiculous statement. Do some research
It's not a ridiculous statement. Maybe you do some research.
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I was listening to an interview with John Bird, the former criminal and the founder of the Big Issue magazine, who now sits in the House of Lords. He says, and I tend to agree with him, that the House of Lords is one of the best things about our government, a place full of experts who scrutinise and hold the government to account.

There are very many in the Lords who would find the 'toffs' comment risible. It's not perfect, where is?, but the HoL has done much good over the years. I don't see that electing its members and therefore replicating the Commons would be an improvement.
We will just have to disagree. The HOL is overwhelmingly from the elite. For me it's a basic principle that both chambers should be elected, if those elected representatives want expert advice they can go and get it. But it's an utterly elitist concept that one of the two government chambers should be unelected.
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No. They interpret the law, and therefore sometimes of course create precedents. But they do not make law.
You are nit picking somewhat. That is basically creating law, by setting precedents. My central point is that people moaned about the EU courts, when our own judiciary is stuffed full of public school boys, who can set precedents. Hardly much sovereignty on show there.
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You are nit picking somewhat. That is basically creating law, by setting precedents. My central point is that people moaned about the EU courts, when our own judiciary is stuffed full of public school boys, who can set precedents. Hardly much sovereignty on show there.
There is nothing whatsoever to stop you studying law and becoming a judge.
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The Dutch labour minister isn't convinced that the current model of free movement is working and it is being used as a business model for cutting wages?
So should all the states in the USA put up borders? India as well? Should the UK put up borders with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland?

If FOM is a bad thing surely this should be the case? Maybe each county and city should have their own borders?
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You always make me laugh. Well done. I knew you'd be on blaming the tories, only a matter of time.
You make me laugh too sunshine.

Yeah austerity politics has nothing to do with the suffering of workers and the loads of anti-worker legislation. No connection at all.
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Mostly labour, labour stuffed it with champagne socialists while they were in power.
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I was listening to an interview with John Bird, the former criminal and the founder of the Big Issue magazine, who now sits in the House of Lords. He says, and I tend to agree with him, that the House of Lords is one of the best things about our government, a place full of experts who scrutinise and hold the government to account.

There are very many in the Lords who would find the 'toffs' comment risible. It's not perfect, where is?, but the HoL has done much good over the years. I don't see that electing its members and therefore replicating the Commons would be an improvement.
lol and it was all going so well too. Unelected "experts" holding the government to account. Jobs for mates.
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you do realise that no one is being kicked out don't you ? So if Labour had won in 2015 everything would be ok for them would it ?
Even Miliband would have been better than this shower in government.

But you could try reading my post. I didn't mention people being kicked out (although no guarantees have been given). I said, to repeat:

Most people I know are suffering from a Tory government. Something that will get even worse once we leave the EU. I also have loved ones who are EU migrants who will have horrible decisions once we leave the EU, like whether they can go back and care for sick parents and then not be able to return here where they have built a life, or not be able to care for their parents. Also after the EU their family and friends won't be able to join them here and live here. It's grim. Remoaning is just a phrase that is taking the piss of lives being messed up.
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There is nothing whatsoever to stop you studying law and becoming a judge.
Yeah it's just a coincidence the senior judges are stuffed full with public school boys.
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