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Old 22-01-2017, 10:29 PM
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Who will save Germany then?
The 27 other EU member states. Germany were happy to lose some trade because of sanctions on Russia, and have said the same about Brexit.
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Old 22-01-2017, 11:25 PM
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We need to repossess them for a pittance, and send them on their way with a boot up their backside
Oh that's a good idea....no one will ever trade with the UK again
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Old 22-01-2017, 11:27 PM
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Thing I dont get is under the current system we have to allow say a Romanian Sales assistant, or Labourer or Door monitor in but say a Canadian brain surgeon or Jamaican Nurse or Australian Teacher is not automatically allowed to work in the UK
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Old 22-01-2017, 11:33 PM
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Thing I dont get is under the current system we have to allow say a Romanian Sales assistant, or Labourer or Door monitor in but say a Canadian brain surgeon or Jamaican Nurse or Australian Teacher is not automatically allowed to work in the UK
I would like FOM extended but given its the EU that shouldn't be pushed back. It's no different from saying why can someone from Stoke or Cardiff go to London but not someone from Canada. The point is that large populations and immigration have no affect on wages, jobs and services. Otherwise the USA and China would both be screwed and basket cases.

In fact the UK badly needs young workers as we are an ageing population which increasingly can't support itself.

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Old 23-01-2017, 03:44 AM
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One big reason why a USA FTA won't save us.(unless you read this the wrong way round.)

It was interesting to see the US is one of the few countries the UK has a trade surplus with. A few years ago this was in balance and before the growth of China we would have had a defecit. Anyway to find out in detail what these exports are? I imagine pharma is up there
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Old 23-01-2017, 08:54 AM
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It was interesting to see the US is one of the few countries the UK has a trade surplus with. A few years ago this was in balance and before the growth of China we would have had a defecit. Anyway to find out in detail what these exports are? I imagine pharma is up there

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Old 23-01-2017, 09:05 AM
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I thought there you could either look by commodity or by country of export but not cross reference both? So I can look at value to US, or value of a traded good but not value of trade with US by good.
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Old 23-01-2017, 09:07 AM
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One big reason why a USA FTA won't save us.(unless you read this the wrong way round.)

You do have to ask the question, why did we join the common market in the first place. Trade with those western members was less 20% of our trade in 1972, and we turned our back on the world. By 1992 it had reached the late 40%, however since then has been very much in retreat. It's time to rebalance to our historical roots and stop being locked exclusively to a broken and declining trading continent. Be interesting to see those trade figures in 2030-35.

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Old 23-01-2017, 09:35 AM
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You do have to ask the question, why did we join the common market in the first place. Trade with those western members was less 20% of our trade in 1972, and we turned our back on the world. By 1992 it had reached the late 40%, however since then has been very much in retreat. It's time to rebalance to our historical roots and stop being locked exclusively to a broken and declining trading continent. Be interesting to see those trade figures in 2030-35.
With the exception of agricultural imports (a tiny part of our economy) how in any way did we "turn our back" on the world?
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Old 23-01-2017, 09:35 AM
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I would like FOM extended but given its the EU that shouldn't be pushed back. It's no different from saying why can someone from Stoke or Cardiff go to London but not someone from Canada. The point is that large populations and immigration have no affect on wages, jobs and services. Otherwise the USA and China would both be screwed and basket cases.

In fact the UK badly needs young workers as we are an ageing population which increasingly can't support itself.
How do you square that with the changes in retirement age ? Men having to work and extra 5 years and Women and extra 10. Not sure there will be the jobs available, especially as the birth rate is growing, will we really need to rely on immigration to fill vacancies ?
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Old 23-01-2017, 09:56 AM
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How do you square that with the changes in retirement age ? Men having to work and extra 5 years and Women and extra 10. Not sure there will be the jobs available, especially as the birth rate is growing, will we really need to rely on immigration to fill vacancies ?
So these older people will pick fruits in the fields or become maths PHDs? The way to create jobs for older people is to support the economic growth of the companies that need it. They may require skills older people don't have.
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Old 23-01-2017, 10:09 AM
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I would like FOM extended but given its the EU that shouldn't be pushed back. It's no different from saying why can someone from Stoke or Cardiff go to London but not someone from Canada. The point is that large populations and immigration have no affect on wages, jobs and services. Otherwise the USA and China would both be screwed and basket cases.

In fact the UK badly needs young workers as we are an ageing population which increasingly can't support itself.
People from Stoke and Cardiff would have been paying taxes to support public services in the UK for years maybe.
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Old 23-01-2017, 10:14 AM
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The 27 other EU member states. Germany were happy to lose some trade because of sanctions on Russia, and have said the same about Brexit.
Germany needs to generate more internal demand rather than unbalancing the EU by reliance on exports.
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Old 23-01-2017, 10:28 AM
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How do you square that with the changes in retirement age ? Men having to work and extra 5 years and Women and extra 10. Not sure there will be the jobs available, especially as the birth rate is growing, will we really need to rely on immigration to fill vacancies ?
It's easy to square. The retirement age has gone up as the rich want to squeeze every bit they can out of workers and pay them less pensions. However the ageing population will need more and more support.

Of course there are jobs available. When a population goes up, supply and demand goes up. It's not complicated, otherwise the USA and China would have collapsed decades ago.
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Old 23-01-2017, 11:41 AM
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People from Stoke and Cardiff would have been paying taxes to support public services in the UK for years maybe.
So what? Does that mean I should object to people from stoke and cardiff coming to London? I mean they haven't paid any council taxes and haven't paid any tax to the GLA.

Also a lot of northerners are culturally different and will take jobs at lower wages.
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Old 23-01-2017, 11:45 AM
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It's easy to square. The retirement age has gone up as the rich want to squeeze every bit they can out of workers and pay them less pensions. However the ageing population will need more and more support.

Of course there are jobs available. When a population goes up, supply and demand goes up. It's not complicated, otherwise the USA and China would have collapsed decades ago.
The major cost of supporting the older population isn't pensions, it's the nhs. You can force people to work longer before benefits but it won't prevent their health bills rising
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The major cost of supporting the older population isn't pensions, it's the nhs. You can force people to work longer before benefits but it won't prevent their health bills rising
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How do you square that with the changes in retirement age ? Men having to work and extra 5 years and Women and extra 10. Not sure there will be the jobs available, especially as the birth rate is growing, will we really need to rely on immigration to fill vacancies ?
Perhaps the unemployed would like something to do.
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