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Old 25-11-2021, 09:41 AM
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Surely the answer is for a special joint UK/French unit to be set up in France for those wishing to seek asylum here. These could be staffed to allow asylum claims to be dealt with, and eliminate the people traffickers.

This year overall, there has been fewer applications for asylum here, just a greater proportion coming here in dodgy boats, due to the effects of Brexit.
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That was a different dinghy. Channel 4 filmed the incident and that particular dinghy arrived safely.

The uk policy on only allowing asylum victims to claim asylum on uk soil is disgraceful when we refuse to make safe passage for asylum seekers. With a below zero net immigration status it is a policy engineered to appeal to brexiteers and gammons.
This sentence entirely sums up the problem and why the government are responsible for the death of these people (among others who are culpable as well).

When it comes to the French government and smugglers, there is nothing we as a people can do to affect that directly. However that is not true when it comes to the actions of our government, which is our responsibility.
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Because the British will not grant safe passage for asylum seekers it won’t be sorted out. See asylum seekers in Calais as we do British passport holders (as if it were British soil) and there would be no need for people smugglers or dinghies.
Agree. There needs to be proper collaboration between the French and UK govts. Our asylum process can just as well be carried out in Calais as it can in Dover. This would, more or less, cut out the people smugglers.

If those people are then denied asylum, the French need to deal with them appropriately.
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Feel so sad for such a unnecessary loss of life .There only crime was to try and better themselves in a world that seems to be going backwards.
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Feel so sad for such a unnecessary loss of life .There only crime was to try and better themselves in a world that seems to be going backwards.
Quite.

This is a humanitarian crisis. We accept significantly fewer refugees and asylum seekers than we should when you bare in mind our prosperity as a nation.

The people smuggling aspect is a diversionary tactic peddled by people who simply donít want to accept more migrants into our country.

The issue is people seeking asylum, not people smuggling.

Put in place a humane system for dealing with the first and you eliminate the need for the second.
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Quite.

This is a humanitarian crisis. We accept significantly fewer refugees and asylum seekers than we should when you bare in mind our prosperity as a nation.

The people smuggling aspect is a diversionary tactic peddled by people who simply donít want to accept more migrants into our country.

The issue is people seeking asylum, not people smuggling.

Put in place a humane system for dealing with the first and you eliminate the need for the second.
My sentiments exactly ^
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Old 25-11-2021, 10:25 AM
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Quite.

This is a humanitarian crisis. We accept significantly fewer refugees and asylum seekers than we should when you bare in mind our prosperity as a nation.

The people smuggling aspect is a diversionary tactic peddled by people who simply donít want to accept more migrants into our country.

The issue is people seeking asylum, not people smuggling.

Put in place a humane system for dealing with the first and you eliminate the need for the second.
Agree with all you say. But dont be naÔve in thinking the people smuggling aspect is a diversinary tatic. When I used to run my haulage company we used to travel into Italy, France and Belgium and I was approached on more than one occasion to see if I was interested in earning some extra cash for stopping on the way throught.
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Old 25-11-2021, 10:27 AM
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Quite.

This is a humanitarian crisis. We accept significantly fewer refugees and asylum seekers than we should when you bare in mind our prosperity as a nation.

The people smuggling aspect is a diversionary tactic peddled by people who simply don’t want to accept more migrants into our country.

The issue is people seeking asylum, not people smuggling.

Put in place a humane system for dealing with the first and you eliminate the need for the second.
I don’t think anyone (on here at least) is using the people smuggling aspect as a diversion at all.

Until the French and UK govts sort this out, do you suggest turning a blind eye to the smuggling aspect and having more scenarios like yesterday?
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Old 25-11-2021, 10:30 AM
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Agree with all you say. But dont be naÔve in thinking the people smuggling aspect is a diversinary tatic. When I used to run my haulage company we used to travel into Italy, France and Belgium and I was approached on more than one occasion to see if I was interested in earning some extra cash for stopping on the way throught.
I think you misunderstand me pallet. Thereís no doubting people smuggling exists.

The sadness is that this becomes the focus because itís convenient for the government and assorted racists to have someone to blame for the tragedy rather than looking at the wider picture and attempting to solve it.
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I donít think anyone (on here at least) is using the people smuggling aspect as a diversion at all.

Until the French and UK govts sort this out, do you suggest turning a blind eye to the smuggling aspect and having more scenarios like yesterday?
We already turn a bling eye to the smuggling. That much is blatantly obvious.

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Awful. Canít imagine the horror.

Does anyone know the reason why the French police sat and watched these poor people board a dinghy and set sail without doing anything about it? Absolutely disgraceful. Imagine if it was the English police that did that.
No but unfortunately they have been doing similar for years
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I think you misunderstand me pallet. Thereís no doubting people smuggling exists.

The sadness is that this becomes the focus because itís convenient for the government and assorted racists to have someone to blame for the tragedy rather than looking at the wider picture and attempting to solve it.
100% agree with that. The French government dont see it as their problem as the people are trying to cross to England and the British blame the French for not stopping them. It a very sad situation that has these people caught in the middle and the right wing use it t feed their rubbish about these people being dangerous and spongers.
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Surely the answer is for a special joint UK/French unit to be set up in France for those wishing to seek asylum here. These could be staffed to allow asylum claims to be dealt with, and eliminate the people traffickers.

This year overall, there has been fewer applications for asylum here, just a greater proportion coming here in dodgy boats, due to the effects of Brexit.
Not quite sure how Brexit has affected the numbers coming, unless you are intimating that the French have less incentive to stop it. Not having a go at you but just interested
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I think it a lot worse than people see. If these gangs are able to get migrants to cross without being picked up on the other side by the UK they then end up in modern slavery, it's really horrific.
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Because the British will not grant safe passage for asylum seekers it wonít be sorted out. See asylum seekers in Calais as we do British passport holders (as if it were British soil) and there would be no need for people smugglers or dinghies.
But should we not establish if they are genuine asylum seekers first? The whole situation seems to be out of control which is leading to unnecessary loss of life
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I think it a lot worse than people see. If these gangs are able to get migrants to cross without being picked up on the other side by the UK they then end up in modern slavery, it's really horrific.
The vast majority are picked up on arrival, thankfully
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Yes I am aware of that.

My question was Ďdoes anyone know why the French police stood and watched these people get into a dinghy and set sailí. It was quite clear and obvious what these people were doing, why werenít they stopped?

I donít think thatís an unreasonable question to ask. There would be plenty asking it if these poor people had boarded a dinghy in Dover under the watchful eye of the English police, would there not?
That might have been a question you asked in a different post, but it wasn't what I was responding to.

I think we need to ensure there are safer viable methods for these people to claim asylum, rather than argue about whose fault it is that they feel forced to attempt a very dangerous crossing.
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We already turn a bling eye to the smuggling. That much is blatantly obvious.

What’s your point?
My point is that we shouldn’t be. I would have thought that was obvious, no?
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