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Old 21-01-2020, 01:32 PM
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It sounds really shit but from a practical perspective and given scarce resource it would suggest that more focus/effort is spent on resolving clinical negligence issues in obstetrics than other areas.
Well yes, ideally you want to reduce negligence, but in reality thats already pretty low, the number is more indicitive of the scale of the NHS rather than its competence.

I don't doubt that procedurally you might well be able to reduce the amount of minor events (wrong knee, gauze left in patient) by addressing processes, procedures and staff. In other areas of course you have situations where the intervention is high risk, though in such cases legal action tends to be less common.

Maternity by all accounts is the largest provider of law suits (according to R4 this morning).

Problems tend to be somewhat compounded by the degree to which the NHS defends 'unwinnable' cases, which tends to mean that it takes three years or more to finally 'accept responsibility' (which if your the department manager etc means offsetting costs of cases by three years - by which time you might well have moved on).

There might well be a case that procedurally you could independently assess 'cause of death or injury' rather than utilise our current process - notably in death by means on an independent autopsy and investigation being conducted at the request of the potential litigants.

Not all cases start as being about the money. Often its relatives wanting to know what happened, and pretty much as soon as your looking at a protracted legal battle to get that, you're going to have to worry about the costs.
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It sounds really shit but from a practical perspective and given scarce resource it would suggest that more focus/effort is spent on resolving clinical negligence issues in obstetrics than other areas.
But if you have to fund medical treatments for your kid for the rest of their life, chances are you're going to be bankrupt by the end of the first year. Medical treatment is very expensive (we tend to underestimate the costs because we have a free at the point of use NHS).

As soon as you get into have to provide care long term, you're talking hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of treatment.
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But if you have to fund medical treatments for your kid for the rest of their life, chances are you're going to be bankrupt by the end of the first year. Medical treatment is very expensive (we tend to underestimate the costs because we have a free at the point of use NHS).

As soon as you get into have to provide care long term, you're talking hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of treatment.
However medical treatment as a result of negligence in the NHS is then provided by the NHS so there should be little to no costs of treatment.

It is if you have to fund care and support that the costs are high and potentially lifelong.
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The costs of compensation have increased in the passed couple of years due to the Tory decision to change the Ogden discount rate. That means more cost to public finances and more money given to victims of personal injury.

Of course the Guardian described this as reckless.
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Old 21-01-2020, 02:47 PM
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But if you have to fund medical treatments for your kid for the rest of their life, chances are you're going to be bankrupt by the end of the first year. Medical treatment is very expensive (we tend to underestimate the costs because we have a free at the point of use NHS).

As soon as you get into have to provide care long term, you're talking hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of treatment.
Either I have phrased my previous post poorly or you have misread it.
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However medical treatment as a result of negligence in the NHS is then provided by the NHS so there should be little to no costs of treatment.

It is if you have to fund care and support that the costs are high and potentially lifelong.
Usually not. Often there is a requirement for very specialist care provision, care support in the home, special education programs and educational psychologists.
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Should I claim compensation?

In 2008/9 I was diagnosed with crohns disease after twenty years of being misdiagnosed with ibs. At the time I was not diabetic. No history of diabetes in my family. I was prescribed high dose prednisalone slowly reducing over eight weeks to a low level. With the instruction to increase dosage if symptoms got worse. Which they did.

I was warned about bone density at the time but not diabetes.

After about six months I was getting new symptoms. Went to my gp who diagnosed type 2 diabetes.

At the time I thought that it was just bad luck.

Subsequent discussions with medics revealed prolonged use of steroids can cause type 2 diabetes.

So should I sue?

I now have a reduced life expectancy, I shouldn't be eating types of food that I live, and I'm on loads of extra drugs, I could have eye problems, I could lose limbs due to poor circulation, I wake up two or three times a night for a wee.

My life and lifestyle has been compromised because of a lack of warning by the consultant about side effects of steroids. I did not get the choice to say no. Like most people I put my trust in a professional.

Should I sue?
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Should I claim compensation?

In 2008/9 I was diagnosed with crohns disease after twenty years of being misdiagnosed with ibs. At the time I was not diabetic. No history of diabetes in my family. I was prescribed high dose prednisalone slowly reducing over eight weeks to a low level. With the instruction to increase dosage if symptoms got worse. Which they did.

I was warned about bone density at the time but not diabetes.

After about six months I was getting new symptoms. Went to my gp who diagnosed type 2 diabetes.

At the time I thought that it was just bad luck.

Subsequent discussions with medics revealed prolonged use of steroids can cause type 2 diabetes.

So should I sue?

I now have a reduced life expectancy, I shouldn't be eating types of food that I live, and I'm on loads of extra drugs, I could have eye problems, I could lose limbs due to poor circulation, I wake up two or three times a night for a wee.

My life and lifestyle has been compromised because of a lack of warning by the consultant about side effects of steroids. I did not get the choice to say no. Like most people I put my trust in a professional.

Should I sue?
I would say that if you genuinely think that you would have turned down the steroids and lived with Crohns instead then you could think about it. However as your quality of life might have been worse than it is on steroids you might have difficulty with claiming any losses - however this is NOT my field and you may want to talk to an expert.

I note your "might have" problems but knowing people with type 1 and 2 diabetes they are definitely "might have" and not definite - try and look on the positive benefits from the steroids if possible.
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I would say that if you genuinely think that you would have turned down the steroids and lived with Crohns instead then you could think about it. However as your quality of life might have been worse than it is on steroids you might have difficulty with claiming any losses - however this is NOT my field and you may want to talk to an expert.

I note your "might have" problems but knowing people with type 1 and 2 diabetes they are definitely "might have" and not definite - try and look on the positive benefits from the steroids if possible.
If I had been told about the risk of contracting diabetes like I was told about the risk to my bones, yes I would have rejected the steroids.

Day to day, I get more problems from my crohns. I had surgery after the steroids to remove part of my bowel.
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Usually not. Often there is a requirement for very specialist care provision, care support in the home, special education programs and educational psychologists.
So it was care provision you were referring to then and not medical treatment?
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Old 22-01-2020, 12:37 PM
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So it was care provision you were referring to then and not medical treatment?
And medical provision, often surgical interventions are required and may need to be funded, whether its via the NHS or not, there is a cost (because even if its an NHS Surgery, for example, thats an additional surgery resulting in extra resource costs).

Unsurprisingly as well, quite a few people who've experienced neglect resulting in disability by the NHS, also don't trust the NHS either.
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Should I claim compensation?

In 2008/9 I was diagnosed with crohns disease after twenty years of being misdiagnosed with ibs. At the time I was not diabetic. No history of diabetes in my family. I was prescribed high dose prednisalone slowly reducing over eight weeks to a low level. With the instruction to increase dosage if symptoms got worse. Which they did.

I was warned about bone density at the time but not diabetes.

After about six months I was getting new symptoms. Went to my gp who diagnosed type 2 diabetes.

At the time I thought that it was just bad luck.

Subsequent discussions with medics revealed prolonged use of steroids can cause type 2 diabetes.

So should I sue?

I now have a reduced life expectancy, I shouldn't be eating types of food that I live, and I'm on loads of extra drugs, I could have eye problems, I could lose limbs due to poor circulation, I wake up two or three times a night for a wee.

My life and lifestyle has been compromised because of a lack of warning by the consultant about side effects of steroids. I did not get the choice to say no. Like most people I put my trust in a professional.

Should I sue?
You should probably look at your options at least. Whilst Diabeties isn't 'that bad' as conditions go, its pretty grim long term and has a significant potential impact on life, and the possibility of requiring additional late life care which may have a cost attached.
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